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Old 04-17-2021, 11:53 AM   #141
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If you're on surface streets you can easily skip shift 1, 2 -> 4 (or 1 ->3, 4) . As far as downshifting goes, brake pads are cheaper than clutches and synchros. Clutch-in and brake. Look at that, just reduced your shifting by like 80%.
I don't know where the myth that downshifting is somehow hard on clutches and transmissions came from. It isn't. I drove my S2000 from 40k to 240k on the clock, and downshifted through the gears every time. Transmission was fine at 240k. I did have to replace the clutch at 215k, due to a neglected never-lubed mechanism finally siezing up and failing...

I heel-toe downshift through the gears as it keeps me in practice for the track, and also it's not a bad practice to ensure you're in the right gear for your speed at all times.

Keeping the clutch pedal mashed the whole time while braking, is just, eeewwwww....
I mean, at *least* leave it in gear with clutch engaged and put off de-clutching until revs are down to 1500 or so!

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Had to go an hour south for my covid shot. Counted to 100 shifts, and checked the odometer-happened at 10.1 miles coincidentally.

The first 8 miles was the typical city driving that the cars always driven in- about 90 shifts in that, and then the last 2 miles opened up, and accounted for the last 10 shifts.

So my average is about 10 shifts per mile driven...
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If you're on surface streets you can easily skip shift 1, 2 -> 4 (or 1 ->3, 4) . Personally, on level streets I shift to 6 at 40mph and it does just fine. At the least I'd be in 5th at 40 if I needed a little more torque and it doesn't lug the motor at all. So from a stop I'd do 1, 2 ->4 ->6.

As far as downshifting goes, brake pads are cheaper than clutches and synchros. Clutch-in and brake. Look at that, just reduced your shifting by like 80%.
And break the rhythm?

I bought this car specifically for it's engagement. If I wanted to simplify things, I'd get a cvt nissan.

Be sure to check your coolant level. I believe I had an issue running under 2k rpm in 2nd or above causing floating heads and coolant loss due to lugging the motor.. I run every gear at around 3k rpm minimum and never had a problem since.
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I don't know where the myth that downshifting is somehow hard on clutches and transmissions came from. It isn't. I drove my S2000 from 40k to 240k on the clock, and downshifted through the gears every time. Transmission was fine at 240k. I did have to replace the clutch at 215k, due to a neglected never-lubed mechanism finally siezing up and failing...

I heel-toe downshift through the gears as it keeps me in practice for the track, and also it's not a bad practice to ensure you're in the right gear for your speed at all times.

Keeping the clutch pedal mashed the whole time while braking, is just, eeewwwww....
I mean, at *least* leave it in gear with clutch engaged and put off de-clutching until revs are down to 1500 or so!
I often find on city roads it's pretty much impossible to downshift through every gear to come to a stop. And to even rev match i'd be skipping 1-2 gears. Unless i'm not braking at all and approaching a red that's the only time i would be able to go from 6-5-4-3-2 rev matching each time. But with braking if i'm in 5th/6th and braking down to a stop (speed limit is 50-70km/h on city roads) Often times when braking to a stop the speed comes down so fast that only time I would downshift to 2 with a small blip is if the light turns green while i'm still coming to the stop. Even for turns w/o needing to stop, i often find I would go from 5th to 3rd or 2nd. Then again I'm not running the car in the 4-5k rpm range in the city all the time either.

Cruising around at 2500-3000 rpm you pretty much slow down fast enough under braking that you'd be in engine lug territory if you just went down a single gear at a time.
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Had to go an hour south for my covid shot. Counted to 100 shifts, and checked the odometer-happened at 10.1 miles coincidentally.

The first 8 miles was the typical city driving that the cars always driven in- about 90 shifts in that, and then the last 2 miles opened up, and accounted for the last 10 shifts.

So my average is about 10 shifts per mile driven...
Jesus? Sounds like my daily traffic, might be a bit worse on BAD days. But I work from home now hehe.
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Jesus? Sounds like my daily traffic, might be a bit worse on BAD days. But I work from home now hehe.
the White Flight is really bad here, and the fastest route took me straight through the center of it. nothing like farm roads to support 10x's the population...
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Keeping the clutch pedal mashed the whole time while braking, is just, eeewwwww....
I mean, at *least* leave it in gear with clutch engaged and put off de-clutching until revs are down to 1500 or so!
Haha 100% agreed. De-clutching and braking until you stop is just wrong especially since you can drop to idle RPM while braking and your car will actually burn gas to keep the engine turning.
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Haha 100% agreed. De-clutching and braking until you stop is just wrong especially since you can drop to idle RPM while braking and your car will actually burn gas to keep the engine turning.
I can't imagine why someone would do this other than just being inexperienced.

Like the dudes that rip all the way from 1st>2nd>top of 3rd only to just drop the car in neutral while traveling at excessive speeds... they want to die I guess.
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As far as downshifting goes, brake pads are cheaper than clutches and synchros. Clutch-in and brake. Look at that, just reduced your shifting by like 80%.
If you ever need to pass your driving test on manual car you will fail if you don't down shift at least to 2nd.

But why the hell do you need to clutch-in to brake?
Even if you are not planning to downshift just brake in a gear and put in neutral before stopping.
And all your attempt to save clutch will lead to failed TOD and you will have to change clutch since you are already there.
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