How to not execute a point-by at the track...

[Skurj]

Beauty list and great image! but unless your last name is Branson or Zuckerberg....


Checking Mosport GP track off my list in a few weeks! I know to some its no big deal... but I've been running it on the PC for over 10 years, finally! get to do it for real.

[mav1178]

yes @gramicci101 it's all to scale. Hence the absurdness of it.

-alex

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by wparsons

That's what we teach up here too. Car being passed holds their line, car passing goes inside (based on the next corner).

That is what's taught but like mike I give up the line as well. I don't need to be on it and would rather let the faster guy keep moving at pace. It's not unsafe if both drivers have half a brain.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

That is what's taught but like mike I give up the line as well. I don't need to be on it and would rather let the faster guy keep moving at pace. It's not unsafe if both drivers have half a brain.

I wouldn't move off line unless I knew and trusted the driver about to pass me, but otherwise I agree.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

It's not unsafe if both drivers have half a brain.

I've discovered the flaw in your theory.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I've discovered the flaw in your theory.

Anyone in advanced or even a higher intermediate driver should meet that qualification.


I wouldn't do that in Green since it would confuse a new driver. Anyone with experience has no issues with this.


People wanting a fake race environment should just do W2W racing instead of using an HPDE as a fake race passing scenario (not talking about you).

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

People wanting a fake race environment should just do W2W racing instead of using an HPDE as a fake race passing scenario (not talking about you).

Oh, don't worry about me. I use Forza for my fake racing experience. Using my actual car (only car) is too much of a risk for me.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

Oh, don't worry about me. I use Forza for my fake racing experience. Using my actual car (only car) is too much of a risk for me.

Reminds me of this gem from yesterday:

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[zdr93523]

Here's two videos from last weekend that are even better:

944 executing the "Point, then punch it" technique (Advanced Group)

Clueless 911 driver (Intermediate Group)

[zdr93523]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

That is what's taught but like mike I give up the line as well. I don't need to be on it and would rather let the faster guy keep moving at pace. It's not unsafe if both drivers have half a brain.

To add to that, even in open passing, I will point the guy by, well ahead of time so they know that I have acknowledged them and that's why I'm off line. If I don't have time or the area of the track prevents that, I will hold my line to not cause confusion.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Or how beginners are taught two feet in...

I have seen many a racing accident where I wish the drivers remembered two feet in. It is still the best way to be predictable for anyone that is following you as you spin/crash.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by mav1178

- for about 2-3 laps, I constantly ran 2-3 seconds faster than my previous PB (1:52.xxx) thru turn 5 of Laguna Seca, only to run into traffic at the top of 7 or after the Corkscrew (Rainy Curve is NOT a place to pass on a flying lap if you are on the outside of the turn w/ street tires). Could've had a sub-1:49 pace if I had a clean lap.

I actually think this is part of the problem. Damn near everyone has timing devices in their cars now even in damn DE1 sessions. There are sessions and run groups for setting fast laps, but DE sessions are not meant for that. If someone is on a fast lap or what they think is a fast lap they are not going to want to lift to let a BRZ/FR-S by. They will say to themselves, I will point by and then assume he didn't want it as I floor the throttle.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by King Tut

I actually think this is part of the problem. Damn near everyone has timing devices in their cars now even in damn DE1 sessions. There are sessions and run groups for setting fast laps, but DE sessions are not meant for that. If someone is on a fast lap or what they think is a fast lap they are not going to want to lift to let a BRZ/FR-S by. They will say to themselves, I will point by and then assume he didn't want it as I floor the throttle.

but you just described the problem I pointed out in my video:

if you are doing a point-by, you have to help facilitate the passing. If you are doing a point-by, you are pointing by a faster car or someone who is obviously catching up to you in other sections of the track.

To do a point-by and still drive 10/10ths is not a proper point-by technique. All the other stuff about setting fast lap times is moot, I have no problem pointing by someone even when I'm on a flying lap and letting them pass.

-alex

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by mav1178

but you just described the problem I pointed out in my video:

if you are doing a point-by, you have to help facilitate the passing. If you are doing a point-by, you are pointing by a faster car or someone who is obviously catching up to you in other sections of the track.

To do a point-by and still drive 10/10ths is not a proper point-by technique. All the other stuff about setting fast lap times is moot, I have no problem pointing by someone even when I'm on a flying lap and letting them pass.

-alex

You missed my point. When you have drivers looking to set laptimes instead of caring about watching their mirrors and executing proper point byes in a DE situation, then this is what can occur. He obviously knew you weren't going to pass him without lifting, and that way he got to finish his lap and set his laptime. I am not saying everyone does this, but I am saying that having the timing devices is part of the issue.