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Assuming 15-20% drivetrain loss full bolt on and tune is probably right about 240 crank.
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Haha "ungrateful"?
1. I dont owe them any gratitude 2. I pointed out (among many) so key flaws in their approach. Go buy it and stick it on your car, we'll be sure to catch your thread when its the apparent disappointmet to you that it clearly is. Why are you so compelled to take random feedback on the internet so personally? How about this, why not counter my position with some form of insightful thought(s) of your own on the subject rather than white-knighting for some random account? Oh, that's right, that would be the logical thing to do now wouldn't it? |
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Your initial comment in this thread was in response to a post well over a year old. If you have read through the thread all the way you would see almost every point you have touched on, has already been posted. Probably in a more tasteful manner. I have no dog in this fight, but honestly it would be nice to see posts about the actual facts of what the intake can OR can't do. Instead it's already getting buried in a dog pile of garbage. |
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If I touched on things common/redundant to other posts in this 18 page thread, I guess I apologize.. its odd to focus on that though, versus the original thought(s). Oh well. Status quo for the internet i suppose.. |
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If the OEM intake manifold and intake system were designed and engineered in tandem, why would it be logical to assume (without vetted results/research driven investigative efforts yo identify suboptimal air flows/air volumes etc in the stock manifold)? Remember, we are talking about one of the most dynamic, ciritcal and adaptive systems of the engine. A simple change in air volume/density/velocity is certainly (according to multiple sources in this forum) grounds for advanced tuning and MAF rescaling etc.. thats just one.
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Well this has become entertaining. I think Racer X has been overly transparent with their iterative process. I believe based on the resources they had at hand they did a good job. Suggesting that their design process was based around a quick buck rather than trying to create a niche product to fill a hole in the market is very presumptuous. That said they are a business and they don't make products for shits and giggles, they make products to turn a profit to, no doubt, feed themselves and their family.
For me personally the manifold doesn't offer what I am looking for but for others it may well. Thankfully due to their transparency I know this rather than having dished out money on a dream. To my thinking if they were to advertise the manifold as having X and Y gains in torque and power without the demonstration of iterations and without the resulting torque curves it would be a money grab and should be called out as such. As a consumer having a broad range of choices is good and we should encourage more companies to develop intake manifolds. Especially if they can show the resulting changes to the torque curve like we have here. If you don't see the point of trying to develop products to improve NA power delivery then you won't understand why this was made in the first place.
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Yikes. . This went left field in no time lol. I hope someone can give some numbers after getting a pro tune to see how much was made before and after stock.
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Surprised that nobody has mentioned the other benefits- you can fit your hand under it, less of a heat trap, no nonsense ports for vacuum leaks..
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