Random Thoughts - Part Deux [NO POLITICS]

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The only self-checkout model I like is the Sam's Club "scan and go" method where you use your smartphone, scan stuff as you put it in your cart, then checkout. No line at all.

Any other place I refuse to use self-checkout unless there is no other choice. If they gave me a discount for using it, I would but since they are not, and I don't work for them, then I'm going through the line.

The Costco near me recently put out self checkout aisles. It’s surprisingly quick there and most people don’t use them because who wants to ring up 20 bulk packages of items? So it’s great for me because I only ever get 3-5 items at Costco.

Scan membership card, scan items, pay. Easy peasy.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

time is money yo

I take the shortest line, if I don't have to talk to someone when I don't want to; bonus points

'but it's costing jobs'

fuck off, very few people dream of being a cashier, some do, sure, power to them for finding what they enjoy, there will be a human face to customer service for a very long time, but I look forward to the day when mankind does not have to work to thrive

George Jetson worked 3 hours a day, 3 days a week.

So does Congress, what's your point? Also George Jetson was a cartoon character.

There are a lot of folks like high school/college kids or retired folk that want to make some money but don't have the time or energy for a full time job. It builds references for future job applications, pays for college books and such, and let's you have some luxuries you might not normally have. I would rather live in a world where somebody who wants a basic part time job like that can get one, rather than one where there aren't any options for that.

Plus, it's more efficient of they check me out than me doing it myself.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

time is money yo

I take the shortest line, if I don't have to talk to someone when I don't want to; bonus points

'but it's costing jobs'

fuck off, very few people dream of being a cashier, some do, sure, power to them for finding what they enjoy, there will be a human face to customer service for a very long time, but I look forward to the day when mankind does not have to work to thrive

George Jetson worked 3 hours a day, 3 days a week.

"George Jetson Plumbing, how can i help you?"

"yes, um, my drains are backing up, i need to get this cleaned up!"

"ok, how does 2 months from now at 8:00 in the morning work for you?"

"i've got RAW SEWAGE coming into my house!"

"yes, well, so does everyone else it seems, but per the government mandate, we only work 3 hours a day for 3 days a week, so the next appointment is available 2 months from now."

"i'm calling someone else! you useless plumber!"

"please do, and if you find someone not booked out past a month, can you let me know who it is i can refer others to?"

[20 minutes later]

"George Jetson Plumbing, how can i help you?"

"yes, i called about 20 minutes ago because there's RAW SEWAGE backing up into my house."

"ah, yeah i remember."

"i'll take that appointment in 2 months."

"sorry, it's 2 and a half months now."

"WHAT?!?"

"it's been 20 minutes since you called, i've had 4 others call and schedule in that time."

"WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO UNTIL THEN?!?"

"get a bucket i suppose."

[strat61caster]

both y'all are luddite drones

[p1l0t]

We are at a turning point in humanity. I've always been all about individuality and free market capitalism. However the rise of automation and A.I. will eventually replace all of our jobs. Starting with the most mundane, but eventually everything that we need could be provided to us by machines far more effcient than we will ever be. This makes things like UBI that I, even 5 or 10 years ago would have scoffed at as socialist/ communist. And this isn't meant in anyway to lead to a political discussion. What I'm saying is we are replacing our want/need to work at an exponential rate. In many ways this is great for us. However, we have to redefine our purpose. Here in the U.S. (an many other countries) we define ourselves by what we do. I mean look at my nickname. I'm a pilot, I fly planes, my friends even call me Captain sometimes, lol. Planes can already fly themselves, I get paid mostly as an overseer, customer service, and primarily to deal with emergency situations that the systems don't fully correct for on their own... YET. (Well that and the planes I fly don't takeoff and land by themselves yet but some do). I've spent most of my life looking for jobs that pay well but also are fun. I work insane amounts of hours and it pays off monetarily but there is plenty of life to enjoy without working. Now all apocalypse/war against the machine or A.I. aside (although we will probably integrate ourselves into it anyway and become the A.I. ourselves), there is a philosophical problem with have to deal with... How we decide to redefine ourselves and the old who gets what. I think it will be more freedom in the long run if we do it right. We just have to learn to find things to do with all the extra time we will have. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Right now it's scary because none of want to be useless. We fear being poor because of not having a job. But if the machines do everything for us... we don't NEED to have a job. We do have to rewrite what spending our time doing is worth though.

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[Spuds]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

We are at a turning point in humanity. I've always been all about individuality and free market capitalism. However the rise of automation and A.I. will eventually replace all of our jobs. Starting with the most mundane, but eventually everything that we need could be provided to us by machines far more effcient than we will ever be. This makes things like UBI that I, even 5 or 10 years ago would have scoffed at as socialist/ communist. And this isn't meant in anyway to lead to a political discussion. What I'm saying is we are replacing our want/need to work at an exponential rate. In many ways this is great for us. However, we have to redefine our purpose. Here in the U.S. (an many other countries) we define ourselves by what we do. I mean look at my nickname. I'm a pilot, I fly planes, my friends even call me Captain sometimes, lol. Planes can already fly themselves, I get paid mostly as an overseer, customer service, and primarily to deal with emergency situations that the systems don't fully correct for on their own... YET. (Well that and the planes I fly don't takeoff and land by themselves yet but some do). I've spent most of my life looking for jobs that pay well but also are fun. I work insane amounts of hours and it pays off monetarily but there is plenty of life to enjoy without working. Now all apocalypse/war against the machine or A.I. aside (although we will probably integrate ourselves into it anyway and become the A.I. ourselves), there is a philosophical problem with have to deal with... How we decide to redefine ourselves and the old who gets what. I think it will be more freedom in the long run if we do it right. We just have to learn to find things to do with all the extra time we will have. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Right now it's scary because none of want to be useless. We fear being poor because of not having a job. But if the machines do everything for us... we don't NEED to have a job. We do have to rewrite what spending our time doing is worth though.

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1. We get it. You're a pilot.
2. When we get to the point where machines can do everything, we will have a much more difficult philosophical problem to solve and that is "what is a person"? Most human law is written such that it applies to people/persons that are sentient and assuming they are of sound mind. Is an AI exempt from those laws? If they are declared not exempt are they therefore a person? Will making such a 'person' do work for you without compensation be slavery? Is slavery still against the law in that situation? Etc.
3. You don't need AI for an aircraft to land itself.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I take the shortest line, if I don't have to talk to someone when I don't want to; bonus points

It is never the shortest (as in quickest) line as far as I can tell, and time is only money when someone is paying you. All other time is, well, just time.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by spike021

The Costco near me recently put out self checkout aisles. It’s surprisingly quick there and most people don’t use them because who wants to ring up 20 bulk packages of items? So it’s great for me because I only ever get 3-5 items at Costco.

Scan membership card, scan items, pay. Easy peasy.

Still like Sams method better. Scan it as you put it in your cart, check out on your phone and leave.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Still like Sams method better. Scan it as you put it in your cart, check out on your phone and leave.

Oh whoa. That’s similar to the Amazon Go markets. Though their system is creepier. You scan your Prime membership as you walk in and then it knows what you take off the shelf. Then you just walk out and it charges you automatically.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

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Something I've learned long ago is that humans are lazy. We will on average put the least amount of effort as possible into anything.

The main reason to work is to make money. If robots do all the work, best we can do is all become janitors and maintance people, which are not and likely never will be highly paid positions. Aka, the movie Elsium without the rich ring satellite.

Yea, that got dark quick...

This is generally where a universal income, or "everyone gets a paycheck from the government" comes in.

But refer to my first point. We saw it in the covid recovery stuff. People weren't showing up to work after they got their check because they didn't need to.

I don't believe robots will take over as much as they could simply because we have a population problem that needs solving first.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Spuds

1. We get it. You're a pilot.
2. When we get to the point where machines can do everything, we will have a much more difficult philosophical problem to solve and that is "what is a person"? Most human law is written such that it applies to people/persons that are sentient and assuming they are of sound mind. Is an AI exempt from those laws? If they are declared not exempt are they therefore a person? Will making such a 'person' do work for you without compensation be slavery? Is slavery still against the law in that situation? Etc.
3. You don't need AI for an aircraft to land itself.

Hahaha yes I know you don't need A.I. to land just an advanced autopilot. You need A.I. to handle emergency/abnormal situations though.

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[humfrz]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

.................... We just have to learn to find things to do with all the extra time we will have. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Right now it's scary because none of want to be useless. .............

mrs humfrz and I have solved that problem in our retirement years - just have at least one kid that has at least one kid and they live near you -

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by spike021

Oh whoa. That’s similar to the Amazon Go markets. Though their system is creepier. You scan your Prime membership as you walk in and then it knows what you take off the shelf. Then you just walk out and it charges you automatically.

When I use my Prime I just have it shipped to my house. No lines.

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[spike021]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

When I use my Prime I just have it shipped to my house. No lines.

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Go stores are more like markets where you can get premade deli sandwiches, cold drinks, some produce, etc.