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Old 12-21-2020, 10:24 PM   #2339
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what will you be using it for? what are you switching from?

sure are some oddball choices in processors though.
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what will you be using it for? what are you switching from?

sure are some oddball choices in processors though.

Going to switch from PS4 to PC, so mostly gaming.


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like i had said earlier, the building part is the easiest part really-- if you've done any mods to your car where you had to do research to make sure 'x' works with 'y', this is identical to that. everything fits a standard, everything has it's place, and there's very few ways to mess it up. very rarely anything needs to be forced, so if force is needed, back off and re-evaluate if that part is supposed to go there. usually it doesn't.

the software part is really the most time consuming part of the whole thing.

i would stick with the normal i7/i9 stuff. i don't exactly understand his reasoning to get into the xeon series of processors-- they're a business-class processor:

https://www.gamingscan.com/intel-xeo...ming-worth-it/

the big focus of any gaming rig is going to be to get the absolute best graphics card speed, and most graphics memory you can justify. it's also important to have enough RAM to get the job done. 16gb is the minimum i would go with anymore, i do find it curious that he doesn't offer more out of the gate in any of those packages.

rgb is nice flair if you're into that sort of thing, but it's like underglow on a car. just adds expense to something that really does nothing.

in terms of hard drives, absolutely get an ssd, an m.2 if possible for a boot drive, with a 1TB minimum storage drive for game files. i personally stay away from any ssd over 500gb. hard drives are like house space. the more you have, the easier it is to fill. i prefer to keep my ssd's intentionally small because the first focus of installing an ssd is to make the OS boot and respond fast, so i prefer to keep them under 500gb so i'm not inclined to even accidentally install game files on them.

i've got no experience with evga motherboards, but the experiences with gigabyte motherboards have been less than stellar over the years. evga and zotac seem to be similar to me, where their motherboards seem to play 2nd fiddle to their graphics card side of things.

i generally stick with asus or msi for motherboards.. maybe more of a personal preference though.

in terms of the power supply, stick with a name brand--corsair, evga, cooler master, thermaltake, antec, and rosewill are the only one's i really consider. the other brands sometimes have issues. and i always get the modular versions--it cuts down significantly on unused cable bundles in the build.
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Agree with all that ^

It seems like you were being steered towards a large scale business-oriented build with a budget graphics card rather than a gaming pc.

What kinds of games would you like to play? That affects some priorities in the build imo.

I typically start with a CPU architecture, then find a (typically MSI) motherboard that supports it with features I want. Then the RAM (because the type needs to be supported by CPU/mobo). Pick out some storage and a graphics card (most everything works together here). Then a power supply with enough throughout to run the whole thing (and a bit extra because a bit of overhead is good) and a case that it all fits in. Finally buy yourself a copy of Windows and make software work. Which can be finicky if you've never installed an OS from scratch.
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like i had said earlier, the building part is the easiest part really-- if you've done any mods to your car where you had to do research to make sure 'x' works with 'y', this is identical to that. everything fits a standard, everything has it's place, and there's very few ways to mess it up. very rarely anything needs to be forced, so if force is needed, back off and re-evaluate if that part is supposed to go there. usually it doesn't.

the software part is really the most time consuming part of the whole thing.

i would stick with the normal i7/i9 stuff. i don't exactly understand his reasoning to get into the xeon series of processors-- they're a business-class processor:

https://www.gamingscan.com/intel-xeo...ming-worth-it/

the big focus of any gaming rig is going to be to get the absolute best graphics card speed, and most graphics memory you can justify. it's also important to have enough RAM to get the job done. 16gb is the minimum i would go with anymore, i do find it curious that he doesn't offer more out of the gate in any of those packages.

rgb is nice flair if you're into that sort of thing, but it's like underglow on a car. just adds expense to something that really does nothing.

in terms of hard drives, absolutely get an ssd, an m.2 if possible for a boot drive, with a 1TB minimum storage drive for game files. i personally stay away from any ssd over 500gb. hard drives are like house space. the more you have, the easier it is to fill. i prefer to keep my ssd's intentionally small because the first focus of installing an ssd is to make the OS boot and respond fast, so i prefer to keep them under 500gb so i'm not inclined to even accidentally install game files on them.

i've got no experience with evga motherboards, but the experiences with gigabyte motherboards have been less than stellar over the years. evga and zotac seem to be similar to me, where their motherboards seem to play 2nd fiddle to their graphics card side of things.

i generally stick with asus or msi for motherboards.. maybe more of a personal preference though.

in terms of the power supply, stick with a name brand--corsair, evga, cooler master, thermaltake, antec, and rosewill are the only one's i really consider. the other brands sometimes have issues. and i always get the modular versions--it cuts down significantly on unused cable bundles in the build.

That is really good info. I kept seeing his posts on our work forums so I wanted to get someone's opinion on the matter. I would still like to build it myself because why not, learn a thing or two in the process. I'll probably inquire for build tips from here.
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@spcmafia I'm going to agree with @Spuds and @soundman98 here, those are some odd configurations for a gaming rig, particularly the Xeon processors. No game is going to have any optimization done around the Xeon, which is primarily a server and high end business workstation CPU. It usually has a price premium associated with it as well.

In the end, unless you plan on playing older games, or are OK running them at lower specs you are going to spend $400 to $600 just on the video card alone.

Nothing wrong with doing that, just be aware of it. You aren't going to be overly enthralled with any games released in the last 1 to 3 years played on these specs I don't believe.
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Agree with all that ^

It seems like you were being steered towards a large scale business-oriented build with a budget graphics card rather than a gaming pc.

What kinds of games would you like to play? That affects some priorities in the build imo.

I typically start with a CPU architecture, then find a (typically MSI) motherboard that supports it with features I want. Then the RAM (because the type needs to be supported by CPU/mobo). Pick out some storage and a graphics card (most everything works together here). Then a power supply with enough throughout to run the whole thing (and a bit extra because a bit of overhead is good) and a case that it all fits in. Finally buy yourself a copy of Windows and make software work. Which can be finicky if you've never installed an OS from scratch.

I like MMORPGS, RPGS. FPS, and racing. More than anything, I'm waiting for the new Elder Scrolls. I used to play it on my old computer and it was way better than my PS3, of course, it was a laptop (I was in Army school for 13 weeks) so there were some drawbacks. Then I got it for the PS4. This is all pretty new to me and its one of those things that I always heard about but never ventured myself into, mostly because of budget, and most of my saved up money went into the BRZ.
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@spcmafia I'm going to agree with @Spuds and @soundman98 here, those are some odd configurations for a gaming rig, particularly the Xeon processors. No game is going to have any optimization done around the Xeon, which is primarily a server and high end business workstation CPU. It usually has a price premium associated with it as well.

In the end, unless you plan on playing older games, or are OK running them at lower specs you are going to spend $400 to $600 just on the video card alone.

Nothing wrong with doing that, just be aware of it. You aren't going to be overly enthralled with any games released in the last 1 to 3 years played on these specs I don't believe.

Thanks for the info, I'm assuming that to keep those computers at an appealing price point some corners had to be cut and the motherboard was chosen. I'm leaning more and more towards just building one myself.
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Thanks for the info, I'm assuming that to keep those computers at an appealing price point some corners had to be cut and the motherboard was chosen. I'm leaning more and more towards just building one myself.
It's a pretty simple process to build one. Lots of configurators online that let you build the computers and make sure all the parts fit. They are useful even if you don't buy the parts from that particular store.

I like the one at www.microcenter.com plus I have a local store I can go pick up the parts from once I put it together. Then I have an easy return path, and they do price matching.
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...In the end, unless you plan on playing older games, or are OK running them at lower specs you are going to spend $400 to $600 just on the video card alone.

Nothing wrong with doing that, just be aware of it. You aren't going to be overly enthralled with any games released in the last 1 to 3 years played on these specs I don't believe.
i did this for quite some time because it seemed ridiculous to me to spend more on a single component than the entire rest of the build. i never wanted to spend more than $200 on the graphics card...

every single time i'd get a new game, i'd have to load it up, and then mess with the video quality settings for a while(sometimes up to an hour) to get it to a point where it was clear enough to see what was intended, and not choppy.

it was a pain. and it became even more unbearable the last few years after i'd get everything set as needed, the the game would update, and i'd have to start all over again tweaking video parameters to get smooth gameplay.

so i finally caved a couple years ago, i ended up with a gigabyte-branded nvidia gtx 1070 with 8gb of video memory. the simplicity of being able to turn on ANY game, and set it to 'ultra' video settings was worth every penny.

i started with a single monitor, but because of the capabilities of the card, i'm now running 3 screens(used ebay grade-b screens that were $20-30 each, but triple screens nonetheless). it doesn't work in every game, but the one's that it does, it's incredible to have that extra width.

now, that said, i just got forza horizon 4, and while everything did still default to the ultra settings, certain loading screens have some framerate drops now that i've never had with my other collection of games. so this card and it's video memory size/speed is starting to become a little dated with newer games. just something to consider when looking at cards, and the future of how you'll use the pc, and how software will become more demanding as time moves on.
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i did this for quite some time because it seemed ridiculous to me to spend more on a single component than the entire rest of the build. i never wanted to spend more than $200 on the graphics card....
Yea, I walk this line as well. I usually end up buying a card one down from the "top dog" because I'm still running games at 1920x1080 or occasionally at 5760x1080. (the same 3 monitor setup you mention but I use matched 27" monitors).

Within the next year I plan on upgrading my monitors. I've considered replacing my 3 monitors with a single 49" gaming monitor (like a Dell U4919DW or Samsung CRG9) as these are the equivalent height to a 27" and can function as two separate screens. They aren't 4K at 5120x1440 (4K would be 7680x4,320) but it's better than I have now and would get rid of the bezels. I'd miss the 3rd space, but I suppose I could keep one of my existing monitors for that. for the most part though 2 27" equivalents is good for 95% of what I do at home.

In my office I have 4 monitors, two 27" that are my primary work monitors, the monitor of my Surface Book used to display my calendar and pop-alerts, and a 55" monitor on the wall I use for meetings, displaying alert maps, and the occasional news/weather streaming if there is something pertinent going on.
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Update, computer is up and running smoothly! Had a few hiccups upon first boot, but got them solved within an hour. Considering I've never built a PC before, nor know anything about the technical aspects, this was a very easy endeavor. Alas, I found a new chassis which I fell in love with. I only discovered it after I got everything put together lol. So I went ahead and bought the Phanteks Evolv Shift 2!
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Update, computer is up and running smoothly! Had a few hiccups upon first boot, but got them solved within an hour. Considering I've never built a PC before, nor know anything about the technical aspects, this was a very easy endeavor. Alas, I found a new chassis which I fell in love with. I only discovered it after I got everything put together lol. So I went ahead and bought the Phanteks Evolv Shift 2!
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So, a few things I discovered (luckily before I received my new case): 1, the case I ordered comes with a PCI-E Gen 3 riser, but the Mobo and GPU are Gen 4. So I'll need to let my BIOS know this (until I can find a Gen 4 PCI-E riser). 2. Thermals with the tempered glass model are less than ideal lol. So I am ditching the Noctua fan for an AIO to help manage heat. Lastly, because my GPU runs hot -- sound familiar? -- I'm going to leave the panel on that side off till I can order a mesh panel from Phanteks. All-in-All, this has been eye opening that SFF builds are costly, challenging, and yet oddly rewarding.
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