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Old 02-21-2020, 03:51 AM   #8905
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yup brand new. i emailed them then called them to explain more in detail bout my problem. but since it was damaged durin' shipment i would have to pay for the new parts they said.
Damn, sorry man. Bad luck.. just another setback. I assure you that you'll love the kit when you finally get to put it on.. tons of low end torque and whines like a Hellcat especially if you change out the intake.
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yup brand new. i emailed them then called them to explain more in detail bout my problem. but since it was damaged durin' shipment i would have to pay for the new parts they said.
Mine had this exact damage from shipping. Sprintex replaced the parts free of charge. Push them on it.
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yup brand new. i emailed them then called them to explain more in detail bout my problem. but since it was damaged durin' shipment i would have to pay for the new parts they said.
Sorry if i missed this. But did you purchase directly from sprintex?
If so then definitely press them on it more. If from a vendor then you may have to go through the vendor. But if its just the hose is an issue. Probably quicker/easier to replace yourself. @jflogerzi said he has a spare for you.
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Sorry if i missed this. But did you purchase directly from sprintex?
If so then definitely press them on it more. If from a vendor then you may have to go through the vendor. But if its just the hose is an issue. Probably quicker/easier to replace yourself. @jflogerzi said he has a spare for you.
it was from a 3rd part vendor. i've emailed them and sent pictures to the 3rd party, just waitin' on them to reply on what they can do. the hose im currently fixin' it and i'll pm him if neither party arent much help.
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Sorry if i missed this. But did you purchase directly from sprintex?

If so then definitely press them on it more. If from a vendor then you may have to go through the vendor. But if its just the hose is an issue. Probably quicker/easier to replace yourself. @jflogerzi said he has a spare for you.
Correct. But his bypass looks damages as well as the hose.

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Anyone happen to be selling those Nameless aluminum intake pipes that they used to make specifically for our kits? I would really like to throw one in my car to make the whine louder, even though it heatsoaks more.
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I said 70% over baseline, was right on the money 69.5% increase over baseline.

On a 168whp baseline would be 285whp. You’d need a really generous dyno to hit 300whp. But regardless it’s just a number. 70% increase is really the most i would expect from this kit without head work. So your definitely maxing her out.

Now for the important question. What is your peak ignition timing at WOT? Curious how close i am on 92+wmi vs your E85. Been debating of running E45-50 +wmi if i can get another 2.5-3 degrees of timing out of it could be another 10whp.

Did the pump/injectors enable more power somehow? or was it just the custom tune on the dyno being more dialed in then a safeish E-tune?
Here you go. WOT pull in 3rd gear after work. Temps were about 75-80F Looks like peak timing is 26.5 and stays around 24-25 through most of the run. I log a verity of settings that might be relevant.
https://datazap.me/u/jflogerzi/dyno-...10-16-17-33-58

@tomm.brz You mind doing a sanity check for me.

EDIT** looks like the log only got to 6100RPM... Ops. If this good LMK if not I can get another one to redline.
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Here you go. WOT pull in 3rd gear after work. Temps were about 75-80F Looks like peak timing is 26.5 and stays around 24-25 through most of the run. I log a verity of settings that might be relevant.
https://datazap.me/u/jflogerzi/dyno-...10-16-17-33-58

@tomm.brz You mind doing a sanity check for me.

EDIT** looks like the log only got to 6100RPM... Ops. If this good LMK if not I can get another one to redline.
Hmm. I wonder if different tuners use different methods of tuning or timing calculations or something or maybe different methods to “hide” the tune to make it harder to copy. Im at 14 with 92 and 17 with wmi. Tuner said E85 is typically 20-22 depending on true E% with 69mm pulley. But yours could very well tune differently like richer with more timing vs leaner with less but idk enough about tuning really.

Possibly no way to have a one to one comparison. Either that or your timing is just crazy compared to mine. 1 degree is like 1.5% or around 3-4whp with our setups. Id imagine you should be about 15whp more but not 35whp.
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Hmm. I wonder if different tuners use different methods of tuning or timing calculations or something or maybe different methods to “hide” the tune to make it harder to copy. Im at 14 with 92 and 17 with wmi. Tuner said E85 is typically 20-22 depending on true E% with 69mm pulley. But yours could very well tune differently like richer with more timing vs leaner with less but idk enough about tuning really.

Possibly no way to have a one to one comparison. Either that or your timing is just crazy compared to mine. 1 degree is like 1.5% or around 3-4whp with our setups. Id imagine you should be about 15whp more but not 35whp.
He did say he said his tunes are a bit on the richer side compared to most.
@tomm.brz can you chime in on this.

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a bit too rich maybe and airflow calculation is a bit off of 5% during the pulls making thing even more richer,
no afr adjustment for E% variations but not so important, he adds a lot of timing advance to compensate for that
overall very well tuned

e85 gives more timings headroom than WMI
he has 10 degrees more advance than what he has when running pure e0 petrol
there are other things than influence the ignition timing and not necessarily means that produces more power, if more advance.. like GDI angle and PI% and cam timings, and mostly the AFR.. you cannot usually compare IGN Timing of different tunes
also the afr you can t really compare because it depends on the lambda scaling used by the tuner, basically every tuner uses a different scaling, so a 12 AFR could be a real 11.5 or a real 12.5
you would need a wideband near the front OEM lambda to know for sure
but you don t usually care too much of it, as soon as you are in a safe spot you then make it up with ignition timings

if you want make a full redline pull.. anyway it will be on check i guess, since the ethanol and the closed loop fuel control activated, I mean the Delicious tuning logs i saw were quite unpredictable lol but this look better
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update on my situation
got the replacement parts a week ago, got the kit installed that same weekend, and tune by mike this week. and so far im lovin' that extra kick and power! goin' to get it dyno soon to see what the graph looks like since i swapped injectors, fuel pump, and on flex fuel but with stock pulley for now.
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got the replacement parts a week ago, got the kit installed that same weekend, and tune by mike this week. and so far im lovin' that extra kick and power! goin' to get it dyno soon to see what the graph looks like since i swapped injectors, fuel pump, and on flex fuel but with stock pulley for now.
Going from the 75mm to the 69mm pulley is like going from full bolt ons NA to sprintex with 75mm pulley, especially with E85 in the mix.

Would be cool to see another 75mm dyno and 69mm dyno same car/dyno/setup.
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Going from the 75mm to the 69mm pulley is like going from full bolt ons NA to sprintex with 75mm pulley, especially with E85 in the mix.



Would be cool to see another 75mm dyno and 69mm dyno same car/dyno/setup.
I agree but I might be able to make that happen as well

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Going from the 75mm to the 69mm pulley is like going from full bolt ons NA to sprintex with 75mm pulley, especially with E85 in the mix.

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also agree, was my initial plan to that all along for comparison for me. just waitin' on to install fail safe gauge just for precaution before i do 69 pulley. but decidin' if i should get another bung welded on catted header or just buy a catless header.
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