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Old 09-14-2021, 04:03 PM   #981
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Depending on the test, some do have false positives and false negatives. That's why, even if you get the quick test you often get the lab test. False negatives are less likely than a false positive.

For example, the Abott BinaxNow test is 85$ accurate with Positive and 98% accurate with Negative results.

Quidel QuickVue is 83% positive and 99% Negative in testing.
But a family of five, all quarantined in the same house, 2 adults and 3 kids from 4 to 14, I'm sure they all were infected.
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No, it's a whole family, unable to isolate from each other. 5 people, 10 PCR tests. How exactly would there have been a false positive? And how is this anecdotal? One of them came over here yesterday after school and we discussed it. His dad was quite sick for a month. The first time it was caught through the youngest from his daycare.
False positives exist for PCR and antigen tests, but they are much more rare for PCR tests than antigen tests. Contamination can happen or performing the test wrong, and the PCR process of gene amplification can replicate low levels of viral particles that mean someone has had or has COVID in their body, but isn't communicable aka positive. This is one reason why people can test positive for months after getting COVID, but are free to return to work. The odds that the family all had false positives or even that several had false positives is probably a statistical improbability. If the timeline was long enough apart, and if family was retested negative before testing positive a different time then the odds also go to an improbability, so I don't doubt what you are saying.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7934325/

@86TOYO2k17 Enough people have tested positive twice with time between infections and have had sequencing that show that they had two different variants in each occurrence that the plausibility of being infected twice is fully demonstrated. The evidence early this year as the vaccine was rolling out was that the vaccine protected those who had COVID previously because their immunity waned over time. Sometimes the cases are worse a second time and sometimes not.

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Old 09-14-2021, 04:54 PM   #984
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No, it's a whole family, unable to isolate from each other. 5 people, 10 PCR tests. How exactly would there have been a false positive? And how is this anecdotal? One of them came over here yesterday after school and we discussed it. His dad was quite sick for a month. The first time it was caught through the youngest from his daycare.
I said possibly false positive. Others already elaborated on that so I won’t bother.

Do you not know what an anecdote means?
An amusing or interesting story.
Which you are trying to cite as a source to backup or validate an argument.
Thats why when i cite a personal story i preface that it’s an anecdote.
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I always find the back and forth funny:

Feds to states - "You have to do what we say."
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False positives exist for PCR and antigen tests, but they are much more rare for PCR tests than antigen tests. Contamination can happen or performing the test wrong, and the PCR process of gene amplification can replicate low levels of viral particles that mean someone has had or has COVID in their body, but isn't communicable aka positive. This is one reason why people can test positive for months after getting COVID, but are free to return to work. The odds that the family all had false positives or even that several had false positives is probably a statistical improbability. If the timeline was long enough apart, and if family was retested negative before testing positive a different time then the odds also go to an improbability, so I don't doubt what you are saying.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7934325/

@86TOYO2k17 Enough people have tested positive twice with time between infections and have had sequencing that show that they had two different variants in each occurrence that the plausibility of being infected twice is fully demonstrated. The evidence early this year as the vaccine was rolling out was that the vaccine protected those who had COVID previously because their immunity waned over time. Sometimes the cases are worse a second time and sometimes not.

https://abc7news.com/covid-immunity-...cted/10936598/
It is statistically most likely not false positive especially given close proximity.

But it still could be only 1 of 10 tests would need to be for one of them to not have had it twice, which is about the accuracy rate of the test. So still possible. And still an anecdote.

And more than likely it was a different variant as you stated, which some studies showing only a 66% effectiveness against Delta if vaccinated.
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I always find the back and forth funny:

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I said possibly false positive. Others already elaborated on that so I won’t bother.

Do you not know what an anecdote means?
An amusing or interesting story.
Which you are trying to cite as a source to backup or validate an argument.
Thats why when i cite a personal story i preface that it’s an anecdote.
To me, commenting that what I added was anecdotal means it isn't necessarily anything more than heresay. It is not necessary validated and therefore can easily be disregarded. Which I disagree with.

Pease do proceed with the instruction in semantics, though.
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To me, commenting that what I added was anecdotal means it isn't necessarily anything more than heresay. It is not necessary validated and therefore can easily be disregarded. Which I disagree with.

Pease do proceed with the instruction in semantics, though.
anecdote has an Implication of truth, hearsay has an implication that you don’t know it to be true or not.

An anecdote should never be used to validate or invalidate an argument or claim as it is one persons account or a small percentage of a groups account of events and may very easily not accurately represent the statistical norm.

I stated 2 of my personal anecdotes in a prior post not long before yours, but prefaced it was anecdotal, as In i know it to not be an accurate representation of the norm, however it is an interesting or entertaining story related to the topic.

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But a family of five, all quarantined in the same house, 2 adults and 3 kids from 4 to 14, I'm sure they all were infected.
Oh no doubt. I was just addressing the question about the possible false results from the test itself, not this specific situation.
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I'm pretty sure that's still manslaughter under the unborn victims act. But I'm not a lawyer, so idk.

If not, there is a pretty good civil case there, provided there is evidence the supervisor had covid.
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I don’t think there is grounds for manslaughter. That is hard to prove definitively, but circumstantially, it doesn’t look good for that lady. She definitely could be reported for violating a quarantine mandate.
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I'm pretty sure that's still manslaughter under the unborn victims act. But I'm not a lawyer, so idk.

If not, there is a pretty good civil case there, provided there is evidence the supervisor had covid.
Not sure what kind of evidence there would be. They said they knew it was covid. Does that mean they had a positive test? is there still a record of that somewhere? if not it's just hearsay probably..
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