Anyone here had the 86 as their first choice but went BRZ instead?

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I thought I was being a fanboy for having this impression. The Subaru just feels nicer. I just hope that translates in person too.

I know what you mean, is it just because I pull for Subaru a little more? I think most of us have followed these cars from the very beginning, and my impression has always been that Subaru tried to make it a little more refined. More neutral handling, and a nicer interior. Not that the Toyota offerings were bad. For the second gen I think I want to support Subaru. I love both brands so I could flip a coin to decide really.


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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by JesseG

I have the same debate about which one to get. Especially concerning the motor. I doubt my local Toyota dealership has as much experience with the FA20 or boxer motors as the local Subie dealer.

At least in terms of the FA20D, that is a bad assumption. The majority of FA20s built are in Toyota/Scion cars.

We could also get into any qualified mechanic can work on either, there is nothing mystic about a flat-four, but that argument gets lost here.

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

At least in terms of the FA20, that is a bad assumption. The majority of FA20s built are in Toyota/Scion cars.

Source of data? I can't imagine this is correct.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Source of data? I can't imagine this is correct.

I think he means most of FA20Ds are in Toyotas. The engine is only in BRZ/86s, and each year they made more Toyotas than Subies. It was even an agreement to the joint venture, not just a demand thing.

[TommyW]

If I was to buy a new one it would be the GR hands down. Looks and a slightly more oversteery setup.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Source of data? I can't imagine this is correct.

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I think he means most of FA20Ds are in Toyotas. The engine is only in BRZ/86s, and each year they made more Toyotas than Subies. It was even an agreement to the joint venture, not just a demand thing.

Sorry, yes FA20D.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

At least in terms of the FA20, that is a bad assumption. The majority of FA20s built are in Toyota/Scion cars.

We could also get into any qualified mechanic can work on either, there is nothing mystic about a flat-four, but that argument gets lost here.

I would still trust a Subaru tech more to work on a boxer engine. Not that Toyota techs haven’t worked on them or aren’t capable of doing a good job. It’s not a Toyota design and it’s the heart of the car. It wouldn’t keep me from buying the GR86 though.


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[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I think he means most of FA20Ds are in Toyotas. The engine is only in BRZ/86s, and each year they made more Toyotas than Subies. It was even an agreement to the joint venture, not just a demand thing.

I just wonder if that makes any real difference on such a low volume car. Would the average Toyota tech have worked on a FA20D? I have no idea myself but it’s worth considering IMO.
I know it’s not some hyper exotic engine, but it’s set up way different than every other Toyota engine.


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[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Veloist

100%…I really have to force myself to like the bumper of the BRZ but with the STI lower lip it makes a big difference. I’m for sure adding one. I’ve been looking at images of the white STI parts promo car with the swan neck spoiler and that whole look has actually grown on me, including the Enkei wheels especially in Bronze. I could do without the swan neck spoiler but the car does look a lot better with the new lip kit which I’m happy is a gloss black so that it can get some PPF.

The STI wheels are incredible to me. I oscillate between liking and disliking the swan neck spoiler. The car just seems more classy with the oem spoiler. The little diffuser on the bottom does annoy me since there is a gap under the exhaust pipes unlike the old one. It throws me off

[seawolfxix]

Originally Posted by suhhh

I do like the stitching better but personally it's not a huge factor for me

Also FYI.. I'm new to this forum, how do I thank posts?

Thank you for asking this. I’ve been wondering for a week lol

[wheelspeed]

Following to hear more about the differences in handling. I like the idea of the GR handling for a little fun at reasonable corner-speeds. I don't want something that sticks like glue. But I don't want a Mustang death spin either. Whatever car I buy would be on all-seasons.

Side-topic- I feel I have to complain that so many car forums have people posting about looks. Anyone can look at a magazine or visit the dealer to decide if they like it. Arguing about looks is like arguing whether blue or silver is better. But I'm starving for understanding the driving dynamics. How it slides during turn-in, mid-turn, corner exit, on public roads around mid-rpm (not drifting, but just a little movement on a safe on-ramp or something).

Back on topic- Also wondering if I got a BRZ and it 'stuck' too well, could some things be done to mimic the GR more? (Besides obviously getting all-season tires.)

[Sapphireho]

These cars are so crazy different.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by wheelspeed

Back on topic- Also wondering if I got a BRZ and it 'stuck' too well, could some things be done to mimic the GR more? (Besides obviously getting all-season tires.)

I don’t think it’ll stick too well, not if the old car is anything to go by. The suspension has a TON of anti-squat built in so these cars put power down pretty poorly. If anything you’ll need some extra camber up front to balance it out.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by JesseG

I just wonder if that makes any real difference on such a low volume car. Would the average Toyota tech have worked on a FA20D? I have no idea myself but it’s worth considering IMO.
I know it’s not some hyper exotic engine, but it’s set up way different than every other Toyota engine.


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Potentially not as much of a difference as it did with the first edition.

Early days Toyota technicians were screwing up the oiling of a certain part during the valve recall and other major engine works, so much so Toyota had to specify a bulletin and advice on the correct procedure. heheh.

Subaru did not have this issue.