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Old 07-03-2020, 03:59 PM   #85
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I'm really not arguing either way, as I think either path could be correct. In the end, I don't have any skin in this game because it's not on my personal roadmap for my next car. I love my 86, but there won't be a MK2 for me.
i wasn't trying to argue either. i thought we were just having a good discussion. same here, not planning on buying the current 86 or a possible future replacement. just like talking about cars.
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Old 07-03-2020, 05:24 PM   #86
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Just a thought, but maybe Toyota hasn't provided any updates because they want to unload the remaining 2020 86? Just imagine what would had happen if after unveiling the Zupra if they announced the 21 models would get a revised B58 with 382hp and the 8inch screen would now be standard across all trims.
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Just a thought, but maybe Toyota hasn't provided any updates because they want to unload the remaining 2020 86? Just imagine what would had happen if after unveiling the Zupra if they announced the 21 models would get a revised B58 with 382hp and the 8inch screen would now be standard across all trims.
Not a bad thought, but from talking to dealers locally, 2020 models are scarce due to covid-related halts in production. 2020 was a short run.
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Old 07-03-2020, 06:09 PM   #88
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Not a bad thought, but from talking to dealers locally, 2020 models are scarce due to covid-related halts in production. 2020 was a short run.
Ah ok, supposedly the same thing is happening with the 2021 Zupra. They had only made 400 units until Magna Steyr reopened in late May.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/202...na-steyr.5320/
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I don't think anyone is denying there was an announcement, but the announcement was in Sept '19 and a lot has changed since that date. It is very feasible plans have changed, just no announcement has been made.
Exactly. Covid (and the massive interruption it caused to automotive production and sales numbers) has obviously impacted car makers’ model and production planning. At best the new 86 may be delayed, but let’s be realistic, at worst it may well be canned. Won’t be the first or the last time a model was planned and then canned due to changing circumstances.

We are not talking about the Corolla, Camry or Rav4 here, bread and butter models that Toyota relies on. The 86 is a niche seller, and cutting it would barely impact their bottom line... might even improve it. They now have the Supra in 2.0 and 3.0, as well as GR versions of the Yaris and Corolla coming out... they may decide they no longer need the 86 to provide the ‘sporty’ image the way they needed it back in 2012.

I hope they do release it on schedule, I’m just keeping it real.
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Old 07-03-2020, 07:55 PM   #90
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Business majors will know what I'm touching on. Companies need to look past Covid, predicting and forecasting. Is a company going to axed a product that the spent years and xxx amount of money on over a virus that maybe not even be an issue in a years time? That's the risky decision companies have to make. Back to the 86, we should know for sure in early spring 2021. That's the rumored unveiling time period.

The GR Yaris isn't sold in every market. On a side note I read on one of those Japanese site that the GR Yaris and Corolla was another one of the many reason why Toyota did not move forward with the SFR.
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While I doubt that render is the final design like the article seems to claim.. if it is, I'm even happier I bought mine when I did lol.
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While I doubt that render is the final design like the article seems to claim.. if it is, I'm even happier I bought mine when I did lol.
reposting from the 2nd gen section. there is always something slightly off with Bestcar's renders, but i think overall its pretty darn close.

Bestcar IS render from October 25, 2018.



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reposting from the 2nd gen section. there is always something slightly off with Bestcar's renders, but i think overall its pretty darn close.

Bestcar IS render from October 25, 2018.



Supra render from February 25, 2018





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They do get pretty close, once theres a bunch of information and spy shots floating out there (LS and supra had plenty of spy shots, and the concepts FT1 and LF-FC to work with). The IS is probably the most accurate WITHOUT that information, since there was no test mules that anyone saw.

The next gen 86 render they did has too much things that were obviously taken from other cars that i cant really see those being that accurate. Maybe the exterior design (which imo is a bit boring in comparison to the existing car, and also doesnt really follow the design direction of Toyota all that well) could be somewhat accurate if the rumors of it being more or less a reskin is true, since it looks like all that was significantly changed was front and rear fascias...then they just grafted a Lexus F fender vent on the side. Interior wise...just too many things copy pasted from existing cars. Its like they had nothing to work with so they grabbed a generic dash templated, pasted the corolla infoscreen on, pasted the current 86 center stack and tunnel on, and grabbed a Supra cupholder/armrest section and just jigged it aroud to make it work.
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They do get pretty close, once theres a bunch of information and spy shots floating out there (LS and supra had plenty of spy shots, and the concepts FT1 and LF-FC to work with). The IS is probably the most accurate WITHOUT that information, since there was no test mules that anyone saw.

The next gen 86 render they did has too much things that were obviously taken from other cars that i cant really see those being that accurate. Maybe the exterior design (which imo is a bit boring in comparison to the existing car, and also doesnt really follow the design direction of Toyota all that well) could be somewhat accurate if the rumors of it being more or less a reskin is true, since it looks like all that was significantly changed was front and rear fascias...then they just grafted a Lexus F fender vent on the side. Interior wise...just too many things copy pasted from existing cars. Its like they had nothing to work with so they grabbed a generic dash templated, pasted the corolla infoscreen on, pasted the current 86 center stack and tunnel on, and grabbed a Supra cupholder/armrest section and just jigged it aroud to make it work.
to my knowledge these were the only LS spy shots. it was still heavy camo. the proudction LS seems pretty water down when you see it side to side to the LF-FC.

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/07/...esert-testing/

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/12/...er-appearance/

with the Supra they made that render before Toyota dropped the body cladding on the test cars. yes they did have the FT1 to work with, and so did all the other publications but none of they came anywhere close.

trust me, i also have my doubts. we'll see around this time next year.
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to my knowledge these were the only LS spy shots. it was still heavy camo. the proudction LS seems pretty water down when you see it side to side to the LF-FC.

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/07/...esert-testing/

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/12/...er-appearance/

with the Supra they made that render before Toyota dropped the body cladding on the test cars. yes they did have the FT1 to work with, and so did all the other publications but none of they came anywhere close.

trust me, i also have my doubts. we'll see around this time next year.
Should we go back through the other 10 or so versions that Bestcar said were verified insider information and were then totally forgotten when they came up with their next fiction? They have thrown so much shit at the wall that some will stick and people will say they were right all along.
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Should we go back through the other 10 or so versions that Bestcar said were verified insider information and were then totally forgotten when they came up with their next fiction? They have thrown so much shit at the wall that some will stick and people will say they were right all along.
we been over this :p

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i also want to add that Bestcar is usually WAY OFF with their renders, but closer to the launch date they get pretty close.

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