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[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Is the transmission the same for 2nd gen? What about clutch & throwout bearing? Is the bearing beefed up for that extra hp & torque?

Why would the throw out bearing need beefing up to accommodate more power? It just pushes the clutch apart.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Why would the throw out bearing need beefing up to accommodate more power? It just pushes the clutch apart.

I don’t think so, I can’t imagine the pressure plate force is much higher for that small increase.

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Why would the throw out bearing need beefing up to accommodate more power? It just pushes the clutch apart.

I'd assume (at least hope) that the clutch is different, and hence the axial loads too. Bearings are rated for both loads & torques. Speeds should be the same, but both loads and torques should be different.
It's the same reason why people go stage 1 or 1.1 or 2 clutch with any increase in power/torque.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Is the transmission the same for 2nd gen? What about clutch & throwout bearing? Is the bearing beefed up for that extra hp & torque?

You can bet there is some trans updates, but as discussed before, don't bet on anything huge. I mean they updated the trans for a 5HP increase in the 17+ models. Now there's a 23HP increase off of that, and a good bit more torque, which will demand a little more from the trans and force them to make some changes, even if they are minor.

[AnalogMan]

Agree with all the comments about this being the best review so far of the new car! Thank you!!

Also agree with your bottom-line take - the first-gen car is prettier, but the improvements in the new car (primarily the engine) make it tempting. All will be revealed and decided with a (hopefully!) few test drives. Preferably nice, long test drives.

But I personally just couldn't live with that hideous comic-book duck-tail. The exaggerated rocket-bunny side sills are bad enough, but the duck tail makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth. All appearance and looks are completely personal, but I just couldn't look at it and keep my lunch down.

For me, it would mean 1) going for a base model without the goiter, or 2) seeing if a friendly dealer might swap the trunk lid with a base car, or 3) going for the BRZ (which has a more awkward nose, but better than a cancerous lump on the butt).

[CatDaddysBBQ]

Track is SUPER fun! Being from Chicago I don't really ever get that far from home very often, but man i'd love to take MY car there sometime.

I got to drive tons of cool stuff - both supras, and every sporty lexus in the lineup.

Here's me driving the LC500 like an asshole, haha

[CatDaddysBBQ]

Honestly while the huge premium spec rear lip is a bit much for some (I love it but I get it) I really love that the Toyota team clearly pays attention to what the current owners have been doing for the past 8yrs. I mean, not everyone puts some type of ducktail on but it's arguably the most popular look "we" go for.

But as I mentioned - don't try to decide on looks before you see it in person. I will say that the biggest difference is that ALL the photos (even the ones I took on my phone that I didnt' really use in the article) have: They all make the car look more narrow, taller and bubblier than it really is.

I promise you that in person it doesn't look NEARLY as different from the current car as you imagine it will be looking at pics. I went in hating it and really think it looks great overall. ABSOLUTELY not bad enough that it'd keep me from buying one if I wanted it otherwise.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

I'd assume (at least hope) that the clutch is different, and hence the axial loads too. Bearings are rated for both loads & torques. Speeds should be the same, but both loads and torques should be different.
It's the same reason why people go stage 1 or 1.1 or 2 clutch with any increase in power/torque.

They fixed the issue and revised the part late in the last generation.

Benefits of evolving this bespoke platform is that these kinds of little fixes will carry across.

[Racecomp Engineering]

If the new car is dyno-ing at 195-200 whp according to the engineers, that's pretty darn solid.

Not an expert by any means, but I feel like that means the 228 crank hp might be underrated?

- Andrew

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by CatDaddysBBQ

But as I mentioned - don't try to decide on looks before you see it in person. I will say that the biggest difference is that ALL the photos (even the ones I took on my phone that I didnt' really use in the article) have: They all make the car look more narrow, taller and bubblier than it really is.

I think you depicted exactly what I didn’t like about the new car from the pictures. It has this narrower, less athletic look to it, especially the front and rear ends. Glad to hear it looks more like the 1st gen in person.

You’re doing a great job selling me on this new car btw, especially the comparison to your current e85 setup. Frankly better than any Toyota ad could have done. Thanks for your impressions. I will probably end up trading in my e85 FRS in a few years.

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

If the new car is dyno-ing at 195-200 whp according to the engineers, that's pretty darn solid.

Not an expert by any means, but I feel like that means the 228 crank hp might be underrated?

- Andrew

Using the standard 15 percent drivetrain loss (assuming a dyno jet), 195 whp would be 229 crank hp. 200 whp would be 235 crank hp. So sounds about right for a word of mouth approximate number to me.

FWIW my 2013 with a K&N air filter and CBE made 176 whp on a dyno jet. I think bone stock would have been right around 170 whp (which falls right in line with the 15 percent drivetrain loss estimate).

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by CatDaddysBBQ

Track is SUPER fun! Being from Chicago I don't really ever get that far from home very often, but man i'd love to take MY car there sometime.

I got to drive tons of cool stuff - both supras, and every sporty lexus in the lineup.

Here's me driving the LC500 like an asshole, haha

Shit man,I need to hang out with you! I live one town over from where you live.

[daiheadjai]

Finally watched the video: Very interesting to hear from Gushi that they made the EPS even better, given that was already one of the best things about the current car!

Curious to know how the car sounded from the outside, since the interior sound is generated by the speakers

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

If the new car is dyno-ing at 195-200 whp according to the engineers, that's pretty darn solid.

Not an expert by any means, but I feel like that means the 228 crank hp might be underrated?

- Andrew

I just hope with all the EPA shenanigans as of late, the reputable tuners will still develop this next platform.

The higher compression should be able to take even a touch more advantage of E85. And since these cars gained negligible weight, the official reports are like 25 lbs........I feel a 2nd gen on E85 with good exhaust making 215-220whp would be an absolute blast.

Especially after doing some minor weight reduction.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Finally watched the video: Very interesting to hear from Gushi that they made the EPS even better, given that was already one of the best things about the current car!

Curious to know how the car sounded from the outside, since the interior sound is generated by the speakers

I’m hopeful for more steering feedback and less assist. Expecting early 2000s BMW steering is probably too much but I can hope for now lol.