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[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Did they tell you why they're hiding the Neptune Blue GR 86 so well?

Because if they post pictures of it nobody will want the other colors!

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Nice article. Pretty much confirmed what I had been expecting. The new car is going to feel like a 2013 FR-S running e85 and will make about the same power.

Also agree with it looking like a gen 1 with a bad body kit, but glad to hear it looks better in person.

I still love my 2013 (e85, track mods, weight reduction) even after owning it 9 years, but looking forward to the gen 2’s. I’ll probably upgrade down the road.

Just to be more specific, it will feel like a 2013 with ALL the bolt-ons AND E85. In other words, about 200whp (as the article mentioned) and some more torque across some of the rev range.

Definitely sounds exciting, and like you've mentioned before, this will be in the S2K region of performance with a much better daily driver feel. I absolutely love the way the current gen feels on E85 and bolt-ons and think it's way plenty for the car. There's never a day I'm driving it where I don't have a smile on my face. To think that the new gen will be just that, if not more, definitely excites me. Then, to think that some basic bolt-ons will only give it more for those that desire it, is just icing on the cake.

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Just to be more specific, it will feel like a 2013 with ALL the bolt-ons AND E85. In other words, about 200whp (as the article mentioned) and some more torque across some of the rev range.

That was the thing that stood out most from the article. Good to hear. Also interesting to see, as mentioned, what happens with the 2.4 when adding full bolt-ons and E85. Do you get 250~260 hp?

[chipmunk]

Is the transmission the same for 2nd gen? What about clutch & throwout bearing? Is the bearing beefed up for that extra hp & torque?

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Just to be more specific, it will feel like a 2013 with ALL the bolt-ons AND E85. In other words, about 200whp (as the article mentioned) and some more torque across some of the rev range.

Definitely sounds exciting, and like you've mentioned before, this will be in the S2K region of performance with a much better daily driver feel. I absolutely love the way the current gen feels on E85 and bolt-ons and think it's way plenty for the car. There's never a day I'm driving it where I don't have a smile on my face. To think that the new gen will be just that, if not more, definitely excites me. Then, to think that some basic bolt-ons will only give it more for those that desire it, is just icing on the cake.

Hahaha ok if you've got a very sensitive butt dyno, it'll feel like a 2013 with ALL the bolt-ons AND E85. Honestly I went from a catless header and full exhaust back to nearly stock setup (2017 header, CBE) and while the sound is way different, it feels pretty much the same on E85.

I think with OP's Skunk 2 EL header, the actual whp difference on a dyno would be 5-6 whp which I doubt most people would be able to feel.

[Sport-Tech]

This ED piece and the ride-along video have me eagerly anticipating the first drive reviews which should be coming relatively soon (?). Between this and the new Z, it's going to be a hard call. I do wish they had brought rev-matching to the 2nd gen, that seems a no-brainer these days (provided it can be turned off for the hard core heel and toers).

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Hahaha ok if you've got a very sensitive butt dyno, it'll feel like a 2013 with ALL the bolt-ons AND E85. Honestly I went from a catless header and full exhaust back to nearly stock setup (2017 header, CBE) and while the sound is way different, it feels pretty much the same on E85.

I think with OP's Skunk 2 EL header, the actual whp difference on a dyno would be 5-6 whp which I doubt most people would be able to feel.

I have gone through the process of doing headers/exhaust first with a tune, and then E85. In both situations I experienced gains over the prior. Though my header didn't put out any high peak HP levels, it did a LOT more in the mid range. E85 just raises the whole curve up, so it doesn't do as much torque dip filling. The combination of the two maximizes the gains through the whole rev range, at least from my experience.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

I have gone through the process of doing headers/exhaust first with a tune, and then E85. In both situations I experienced gains over the prior. Though my header didn't put out any high peak HP levels, it did a LOT more in the mid range. E85 just raises the whole curve up, so it doesn't do as much torque dip filling. The combination of the two maximizes the gains through the whole rev range, at least from my experience.

Oh mea culpa, I didn’t realize you were talking about the torque dip area. Yes my catless header made a noticeable difference in that rpm band. I only drive my car at the track or canyons these days so was only focused on the 4500-7500 rpm range. Cheers!

[spike021]

Originally Posted by saltywetman

haha i thought Todd was the brz/frs/86 expert in ED. he does sure seemed to love the car in the vids even after selling

Meh that's the same guy who would drive uphill on backroads in 5th gear at 33mph and then complain it lacked power.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by CatDaddysBBQ

as the resident 86 expert on the Everyday Driver staff, I went to the soft launch at Toyota North America HQ earlier this month.

Here's what I thought:

https://www.everydaydriver.com/singl...ew-86-is-close

I also welcome any questions/etc - I couldn't put EVERYTHING I learned in the article.

Always wondered if any of the EverydayDriver folks were on here!
Side note, glad to read your article that Lexus is ditching their silly mouse/trackpad/palmhump interface!

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by CatDaddysBBQ

as the resident 86 expert on the Everyday Driver staff, I went to the soft launch at Toyota North America HQ earlier this month.

Here's what I thought:

https://www.everydaydriver.com/singl...ew-86-is-close

I also welcome any questions/etc - I couldn't put EVERYTHING I learned in the article.

Thanks so much for your very detailed, personal impressions. As per your comments below, I'm very excited:


"So, how excited should you be about this new second generation Toyota 86? The short answer is plenty. It remains a terrific handling sports car that you can afford to buy, drive every day and offers dynamics superior to cars costing 2-3 times more. Now, it’s far less likely to get walked by a minivan. Hooray!"

[Cephas]

Fantastic write up, thanks for sharing! I'm starting to get excited now... Too bad I have like 4 more years to wait until it's my turn for a new car again.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by spike021

Meh that's the same guy who would drive uphill on backroads in 5th gear at 33mph and then complain it lacked power.

Torque dip must always be known!

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Torque dip must always be known!

Lolol. I don't mind showing it off but at least be honest about it instead of exaggerating because you know you'll get more clicks/views/thumbs ups.