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Old 09-28-2014, 03:41 AM   #85
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That's all well and good, but the FRS has roughly 15 years of technology advancements/refinements. It SHOULD be competitive. If it wasn't, there would be a real problem... and in the real world, today, it's possible to get an S2000 for significantly less money than a stock FRS.

About the FRS upgrades: "not too much money" is debatable. Adding a supercharger, coilovers, light wheels, a big brake kit, etc. is not cheap no matter how you look at it. That's easily $10k - $15k. That warranty goes out the window, and if you spent that same amount of money on mods for the S2000 you'd have a significantly more powerful car with a higher level of performance.

I'm not hating on the FRS. I still would like to get one eventually after they've depreciated more. I'm just being realistic about the comparison.

Realistically, you could look at even older cars like the 240sx and RX7 and get even more value for your money in terms of performance potential vs cost. It's hard to argue with factory turbo light FR coupes. The reliability might not be there, but the performance and excitement will be.
You don't need a big brake kit if you are only adding a super charger. Lighter wheels? Sure they help, but not necessary, and the stock handling is decent. The only reason you need all that stuff is if you are pushing over 300whp, and by that point, the car is no longer a daily driver. Adding a $5,000 supercharger kit is more than enough for most people.
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The guys running a GT86 as their driver evaluation car only seemed to be concerned about oil temps breaking down the oil, for this reason they were changing oil every 35 track hours. Their car had about 27k on the clock and that was almost exclusively track time with mostly inexperienced drivers. The only non-OE item on the car in terms of track performance was slightly wider performance tyres. This GT86 is mostly driven by novice & inexperienced track drivers.
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Sounds like S2000 might be the only track-ready stock car on the market. Are there others <70k? How does track-prepping the FRS compare to Miata, 240sx & 350z? These cars are ubiquitous on the track, and it seems like they only change oil, tires and pads.
here's a list of track ready new cars <60K from autoguide.com. not posting it as the gospel, just a list that you might find helpful

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...der-60000.html
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The guys running a GT86 as their driver evaluation car only seemed to be concerned about oil temps breaking down the oil, for this reason they were changing oil every 35 track hours. Their car had about 27k on the clock and that was almost exclusively track time with mostly inexperienced drivers. The only non-OE item on the car in terms of track performance was slightly wider performance tyres. This GT86 is mostly driven by novice & inexperienced track drivers.

Do you have any info on the oil grade they were running?
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Do you have any info on the oil grade they were running?
No but I've just email them & asked. I'll see if I get a reply.

The car, in the instructors words was 'Showroom stock with performance tyres'
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No but I've just email them & asked. I'll see if I get a reply.

The car, in the instructors words was 'Showroom stock with performance tyres'
Ok cool let me know if you heard back.
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Ok cool let me know if you heard back.
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Thanks for the video! This is why I own both Now to fight the urge to modify the BRZ until the S2000 is done!
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I have owned both cars as well. Let me tell you, riding a bicycle now, I'd take either of them, but I really regret selling my S2K, it was 2007, 50K miles, and bone stock...

damn...

Great video though, really enjoyed it, and all the dry/witty comments rofl!
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10W-40, Motul 300V Chrono to be precise.
Excellent thanks for this info figured they would have to run a something like this.

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Yeah thats the hard part!

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I have owned both cars as well. Let me tell you, riding a bicycle now, I'd take either of them, but I really regret selling my S2K, it was 2007, 50K miles, and bone stock...

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Great video though, really enjoyed it, and all the dry/witty comments rofl!
Thanks why you dump the S2000?
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Yeah thats the hard part!
Yup, fighting for tunes on multiple pulleys for the S2K ranging from 350WHP to 500WHP and finishing the aero/safety items and will probably focus on a minimal build for the BRZ next
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Yup, fighting for tunes on multiple pulleys for the S2K ranging from 350WHP to 500WHP and finishing the aero/safety items and will probably focus on a minimal build for the BRZ next
Thats one of the major issues when you get to that level there is always some to do list!
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COMPLETE side note, what would you imagine the outcome of the comparison FRS vs S2K would be if the FT86 platform came with the same level of refinement the S2K comes with.

For example changing a header/intake/intake manifold/throttle body will pick up almost no power on an S2000. Even a tune nets next to no gains. From example I bought a Js racing carbon intake, Js SPL header and Js 70rr titanium header back exhaust and after a tune gained 22WHP and 20 FT-LBS of torque. Most to be attributed to no catalytic converter.

From looking at reviews of intakes/exhausts/headers for the BRZ it seems power can be had fairly cheap NA, not to the extent of a supercharger obviously but I'd imagine if you hit all of the simple boltons and a solid tune you would be inline with the power of the s2000, have more low end torque due to the nature of the motors and still weight 180? Lbs less. Put the same tires on the stock wheels side by side... May be a good comparison and would address a lot of the heat concerns too
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