BRZ Ts parts

[muckypuppy]

Originally Posted by SPCorBUST

@muckypuppy very clean engine bay. Didn't know you had the Cosworth SC kit

Any other shots of the tS steering wheel? Wondering if it is the same thickness as stock, and your impressions of the leather vs stock. Thinking about putting in an order for the visor, cluster, and steering wheel.

Thanks mate ! I couldn't very well let all those sweet STi parts go to waste now could I? The tS wheel is about 1/4 inch thicker in diameter... feels better, looks better and smells better lol.

I threw some more pics up on my photobucket of the steering wheel/ interior and the Recaros as well as a couple of gratuitous ones of my Subies. The TbSTi Liberty (Legacy) probably explains why I went all out on the BRZ
@ DSOmegaX theres also a couple of pics of the front and rear of the tS cluster board.

[SPCorBUST]

Originally Posted by muckypuppy

Thanks mate ! I couldn't very well let all those sweet STi parts go to waste now could I? The tS wheel is about 1/4 inch thicker in diameter... feels better, looks better and smells better lol.

I threw some more pics up on my photobucket of the steering wheel/ interior and the Recaros as well as a couple of gratuitous ones of my Subies. The TbSTi Liberty (Legacy) probably explains why I went all out on the BRZ
@ DSOmegaX theres also a couple of pics of the front and rear of the tS cluster board.

Thanks. I'm considering ordering the cluster, but not quite sure yet - @DSOmegaX is local, so I can see how his goes since I know he's gonna try this, lol.

For now, your pics have completed my shopping list for the night and I just ordered the steering wheel, lol

BTW I was always curious about the silver STI rims on white as well, they look great!

And swapping the LED's on the back... Yeah, that looks like it would be a task...

[nikitopo]

STi logos are a nice thing, but I am also worrying about performance. I have seen different BRZ tS marketing videos, but nothing pushing the car hard. Today I found a couple of videos. The car seems to be fast, but still with much oversteer. In the 2nd video the car even loses grip and does a 360° turn. I would expect to be much more planted. Is the driver pushing the car too much or something more is needed (*)?


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8wtUctS6d4"]150725 TC2000走行会（BRZ tS） - YouTube[/ame]


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxaFD955bd4"]#3 AREA86 GYMKHANA MEETING @DP NASU - YouTube[/ame]


(*) I am re-thinking now about the new spring rate specifications from Ohlins. The new specifications were designed in Sweden and not in Japan and have much more softer rear springs (front: 40N/mm, rear: 30N/mm).

[nikitopo]

I wanted to say a 180° turn on the 2nd video and not a 360° turn. It appears on 0'48'' .

[quiksiv]

Originally Posted by Trap63

Upcoming parts...


http://www.sti.jp/product/brzts/exterior_equipment.html
http://www.sti.jp/product/brzts/interior_equipment.html


Just emailed to Japanparts.com

PM me for the price on those recaros.

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by quiksiv

PM me for the price on those recaros.

Are you asking for what the price on those seats are or you have a price for them?


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[quiksiv]

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX

Are you asking for what the price on those seats are or you have a price for them?


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No im asking you, sorry for the confusion.

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by quiksiv

No im asking you, sorry for the confusion.

They are listed for about 3000 per seat from STi. But the problem is that because they are equipped with side air bags, they cannot be imported through the "normal" channels such as japanparts (who will not sale it because of the airbags)


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[Trap63]

Originally Posted by quiksiv

PM me for the price on those recaros.

I don't know the price....but you can buy simple Recaro Spotster SAB CS black/alcantara (or cheaper grade) and rebuild them in leather and alcantara as I am doing.
You need MANDATORY OEM Japan Recaro subframes to install. (on sale by JPP)
These subframes are sold only in Japan (I contacted Recaro HQ in Germany and they told me that they aren't TUV/ECE approved so they don't distribute and sale)

https://www.japanparts.com/parts/detail/47725

You'll pay less than import them from Japan....(here we pay almost +30% of VAT and custom fees)
I paid here in Europe both passenger than driver (SAB with sidebag) Eur 2,250.00 and subframes from Japan Yen 58,500.00 (with FedeX sending).
Rebuild cost: eur 600.00 (both).
Importing costs at least twice....

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Another mention 'bout tS parts not sold:
this front bumper grille cover...isn't sold such as tS badge and other.




but...

Subaru has this part on sale in Europe, the SEBDCA3600 (front trim chrome), only chrome.

http://www.kiessetz-und-schmidt.de/o...tail&item=6098



You can buy the SEBDCA3600 and repaint with this option colour code: GrimmSpeed Cherry Blossom Paint

is the same profile of chrome.

[quiksiv]

Originally Posted by Trap63

I don't know the price....but you can buy simple Recaro Spotster SAB CS black/alcantara (or cheaper grade) and rebuild them in leather and alcantara as I am doing.
You need MANDATORY OEM Japan Recaro subframes to install. (on sale by JPP)
These subframes are sold only in Japan (I contacted Recaro HQ in Germany and they told me that they aren't TUV/ECE approved so they don't distribute and sale)

https://www.japanparts.com/parts/detail/47725

You'll pay less than import them from Japan....(here we pay almost +30% of VAT and custom fees)
I paid here in Europe both passenger than driver (SAB with sidebag) Eur 2,250.00 and subframes from Japan Yen 58,500.00 (with FedeX sending).
Rebuild cost: eur 600.00 (both).
Importing costs at least twice....

___________

Another mention 'bout tS parts not sold:
this front bumper grille cover...isn't sold such as tS badge and other.




but...



Subaru has this part on sale in Europe, the SEBDCA3600 (front trim chrome), only chrome.

http://www.kiessetz-und-schmidt.de/o...tail&item=6098





You can buy the SEBDCA3600 and repaint with this option colour code: GrimmSpeed Cherry Blossom Paint

is the same profile of chrome.

Hey thanks for all the info, ive been seat shopping for awhile now and i think those are the only ones that have really caught my eye. Other then ordering the sard covers.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

STi logos are a nice thing, but I am also worrying about performance. I have seen different BRZ tS marketing videos, but nothing pushing the car hard. Today I found a couple of videos. The car seems to be fast, but still with much oversteer. In the 2nd video the car even loses grip and does a 360° turn. I would expect to be much more planted. Is the driver pushing the car too much or something more is needed (*)?

(*) I am re-thinking now about the new spring rate specifications from Ohlins. The new specifications were designed in Sweden and not in Japan and have much more softer rear springs (front: 40N/mm, rear: 30N/mm).

How planted a car is really a driving feeling, you can't really gauge that from videos imo.

The draw stiffeners and Bilstein shocks contributed to the more planted feeling to me in everyday driving.

Test drive a 2013 Scion FRS / Toyota 86 with stock suspension? Feels loose compare to a 2013 Subaru BRZ with stock suspension (stiffer front and softer rear?) to me on high speed sweepers.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by krayzie

The draw stiffeners and Bilstein shocks contributed to the more planted feeling to me in everyday driving.

I can understand the more planted feeling with the Bilstein shocks, but not so much with the draw stiffener. Subaru says the following:

－Do you mean that it is also possible to measure the effects of STI original parts such as the Flexible Draw Stiffener?
Sakata: We can clearly see the effects. If you apply tension on the cross member with the Flexible Draw Stiffener, the car starts turning as soon as you steer, so yes, we can numerically understand this effect of the Flexible Draw Stiffener.

In my logic with the draw stiffener the steering is just more responsive and the car turns quicker. Or in other terms it is just an enhancement of the flexible tower bar. Did you install maybe the draw stiffener together with other parts?


Anyway, my original question was that I expected the BRZ tS to have much less oversteer. I understand the fun car aspect of the original car, but not on a car that it should be much more mature and grown-up. I am not an expert myself, but other companies with racing knowledge have also mentioned this lately.


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Link of the quote here: http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/news2015/15006.html

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I can understand the more planted feeling with the Bilstein shocks, but not so much with the draw stiffener. Subaru says the following:

－Do you mean that it is also possible to measure the effects of STI original parts such as the Flexible Draw Stiffener?
Sakata: We can clearly see the effects. If you apply tension on the cross member with the Flexible Draw Stiffener, the car starts turning as soon as you steer, so yes, we can numerically understand this effect of the Flexible Draw Stiffener.

In my logic with the draw stiffener the steering is just more responsive and the car turns quicker. Or in other terms it is just an enhancement of the flexible tower bar. Did you install maybe the draw stiffener together with other parts?


Anyway, my original question was that I expected the BRZ tS to have much less oversteer. I understand the fun car aspect of the original car, but not on a car that it should be much more mature and grown-up. I am not an expert myself, but other companies with racing knowledge have also mentioned this lately.


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Link of the quote here: http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/news2015/15006.html

It's a RWD car, oversteer/understeer still depends hugely on driver input. You can't fight physics.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I can understand the more planted feeling with the Bilstein shocks, but not so much with the draw stiffener. Subaru says the following:

－Do you mean that it is also possible to measure the effects of STI original parts such as the Flexible Draw Stiffener?
Sakata: We can clearly see the effects. If you apply tension on the cross member with the Flexible Draw Stiffener, the car starts turning as soon as you steer, so yes, we can numerically understand this effect of the Flexible Draw Stiffener.

In my logic with the draw stiffener the steering is just more responsive and the car turns quicker. Or in other terms it is just an enhancement of the flexible tower bar. Did you install maybe the draw stiffener together with other parts?


Anyway, my original question was that I expected the BRZ tS to have much less oversteer. I understand the fun car aspect of the original car, but not on a car that it should be much more mature and grown-up. I am not an expert myself, but other companies with racing knowledge have also mentioned this lately.


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Link of the quote here: http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/news2015/15006.html

I installed the draw stiffeners after I got the flexible tower bar (as recommended by STI). It feels more planted during cornering. The flexible tower bar alone will give you more responsive initial turn-in but will not give you a more planted feeling from my experience. I also have the pillowball lateral and trailing links on the rear afterwards. STI says they will provide more rear end grip but I find the oversteer tendency is pretty much the same but much more predictable (doesn't feel as dead).

BTW I don't push my car hard as I only spirit drive it on the street so track rats may give you a different review.