2022 GMC HUMMER EV revealed as a 1,000-hp, 350-mile, fast-charging beast

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by pope

Is this sarcasm? I can't tell and I don't want to assume wrong. But, if interviews with survivors of the Camp fires are to be believed, this is exactly what residents already had to do when the roads became impassable.


Uncharged electric or rolling petrol bomb, neither is a good choice.

I'm not being sarcastic. Primarily evacuations for things like hurricanes and wildfires are done by car.

You've never seen batteries burn have you?

[pope]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I'm not being sarcastic. Primarily evacuations for things like hurricanes and wildfires are done by car.

You've never seen batteries burn have you?

I agree, but once circumstances prevent any vehicular evacuation it will not matter if the vehicle is electric with a dead battery or gas trapped and immobile. Evac on foot is sometimes a necessity.

The sooner we as a species take steps to turn around our destructive habits, the sooner we reduce the need for "some" of the evacuations. Nature will always be a fickle bitch, but we don't need to continue enraging the situation.

I have, which is why I collect all my dead batteries (especially the inflating li-po's) in a plastic tub, inside a steel flame containment can, in an auxiliary building 150ft from my house until I'm ready to take them to the recycling drop off.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Yep, not an insurmountable challenge, but costs time/effort/money. Also doesn't change the fact that mass adoption of EVs isn't as simple as "everyone just has to buy them because it makes sense right now". It requires significant infrastructure updates that many people do not seem to understand.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...road-12-years/

Uhhh, average age of cars on the road is 12 years. They are expecting 5% of vehicles on the road to be new cars by the years end. If everyone bought an EV at 5% per year then it would take 20 years to replace all the cars. In California, the EV mandate is 15 years away, and without a mandate, the adoption rate of EVs won't go to 100% for new car purchases, so expect closer to 30+ years from now for EVs to pass 50% of cars on the road, if that even happens.

I would say utilities have some time to ramp up production.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...road-12-years/

Uhhh, average age of cars on the road is 12 years. They are expecting 5% of vehicles on the road to be new cars by the years end. If everyone bought an EV at 5% per year then it would take 20 years to replace all the cars. In California, the EV mandate is 15 years away, and without a mandate, the adoption rate of EVs won't go to 100% for new car purchases, so expect closer to 30+ years from now for EVs to pass 50% of cars on the road, if that even happens.

I would say utilities have some time to ramp up production.

Sounds like a reasonable timeline. All I was saying is that "just charge at night using excess energy production" isn't going to work for very long.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Imagine a world where you have to evacuate a wildfire area on foot because you didn't have power at your house to charge your vehicle.

Clearing a fire zone/front usually doesn't take driving very far, and typically people don't discharge their car so far that they would be trapped. It is no different than someone running their gas tank down to a few miles thinking they have time and range to go to the nearest gas station in the morning only to be left out of luck.

Maybe while people are using their gasoline powered generator to run their house, they also use their generator to charge their car.

[dpfarr]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Sounds like a reasonable timeline. All I was saying is that "just charge at night using excess energy production" isn't going to work for very long.

That’s as true as current technology changing right? I’m not sure if the Internet of small things vastly reduces energy needs currently but it could. Faster learning and I/O based on patterns vs instantaneous change from smart sensors could reduce that load of always on tech and servers needed for them.

I regret I am remiss about energy solutions. I excuse myself by way of mental gymnastics in singular behavioral changes (vasectomy, vegan, bicycling) I see as supporting sustainability.

[Tcoat]

Although where the power will come from is a reasonable consideration I will 100% assure everybody that the era of the electric vehicle and the COMPLETE demise of the ICE engine is almost upon us. There is no way it is stopping at this point so they will figure out how to get the power that is needed in a very short period. Most people on this forum will see it in their life time. Like it or not that is the way the industry is headed.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Although where the power will come from is a reasonable consideration I will 100% assure everybody that the era of the electric vehicle and the COMPLETE demise of the ICE engine is almost upon us.

Yea, I've pretty much given in.

Actually thought about buying a used Chevy Bolt which has a 250ish mile range and can be had all day long on Carvana for between $15,000 and $20,000 for commuting now that the FRS is approaching 180,000 miles, keeping the FRS as a weekender.

I still wouldn't want to travel in an EV over its one way range though, just because of the inconvenience and additional time. It's becoming easier though.

My biggest problem is with 5 cars at our house right now I don't have room for a sixth, and I don't have one I'm willing to part with yet.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea, I've pretty much given in.

Actually thought about buying a used Chevy Bolt which has a 250ish mile range and can be had all day long on Carvana for between $15,000 and $20,000 for commuting now that the FRS is approaching 180,000 miles, keeping the FRS as a weekender.

I still wouldn't want to travel in an EV over its one way range though, just because of the inconvenience and additional time. It's becoming easier though.

My biggest problem is with 5 cars at our house right now I don't have room for a sixth, and I don't have one I'm willing to part with yet.

I think the next major stage will be more and more plug in hybrids. These will sort of bridge the gap between full ICE and full electric since you get most of the benefit of an electric but still have an extended range.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think the next major stage will be more and more plug in hybrids. These will sort of bridge the gap between full ICE and full electric since you get most of the benefit of an electric but still have an extended range.

I just wish the future didn't involve driving small moons around.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think the next major stage will be more and more plug in hybrids. These will sort of bridge the gap between full ICE and full electric since you get most of the benefit of an electric but still have an extended range.

Probably true, but I really don't see the point (for me) until the ranges are extended on the plug-ins. In anything except the butt-ugly BMW i3 REx I would be using fuel on my commute (80 miles round trip).

There's a couple that would get me to work, but require a charge to get me home. The Honda Clarity is only available in California. The Karma Revero GT, which is expensive but holy hell yes if I could afford it. For it's price though I'd almost rather have the Hummer, or a C8 and a Bolt.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I just wish the future didn't involve driving small moons around.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Although where the power will come from is a reasonable consideration I will 100% assure everybody that the era of the electric vehicle and the COMPLETE demise of the ICE engine is almost upon us. There is no way it is stopping at this point so they will figure out how to get the power that is needed in a very short period. Most people on this forum will see it in their life time. Like it or not that is the way the industry is headed.

There is going to need to be a quantum leap in portable electric generation, and energy storage for that to happen. Industrial and agricultural will lag well behind consumer commuter vehicles and even commuter cars will take decades before becoming a majority or large minority of vehicles on the road.

It's taken how many years to come up with a mostly practical, almost mass market personal transportation appliance ? And even then issues remain. Electric semis, combines and dump trucks are going to take even more work and time to become practical for even most applications.

Just like steam, ICE will probably still be around for a good, long while.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

There is going to need to be a quantum leap in portable electric generation, and energy storage for that to happen. Industrial and agricultural will lag well behind consumer commuter vehicles and even commuter cars will take decades before becoming a majority or large minority of vehicles on the road.

It's taken how many years to come up with a mostly practical, almost mass market personal transportation appliance ? And even then issues remain. Electric semis, combines and dump trucks are going to take even more work and time to become practical for even most applications.

Just like steam, ICE will probably still be around for a good, long while.

The tech is further along than many know or want to acknowledge.
https://www.zf.com/mobile/en/technol..._mobility.html