EV West Electric Crate Motor, Thoughts?

[TRS]

I think its not putting something to extreme. There seems simply a difference between what you and I are expecting of a reliable and maintenance freindly build (speaking about petrol swaps or upgrades). Also I think this can be caused by the environment the cars are driven in. I had to improve and invest some bugs to get a FI build (on a already FI engine) which was able to drive me 15miles to work each morning, with 10miles at constant 170mph and same way back in the evening over years. In addition we should maybe remember that modifications on a Road car are more limited in my area and also are bound to 1.5 to 2 times the price you might have to pay. Maybe Im realy wrong, but I worked on many builds (not only my own) and I think I learned the difference between a 3k and 15k FI build the hard way. Not saying a 3k build doesnt work somehow, but somehow is nothing I would take as a base for any comparrison.

As well I learned that a drivetrain and engine designed for arround 200hp and tuned to 400hp will have weakpoints to care about in short time cycles, even if you put many effort and money to erase most of them. This is what I mean with high maintenance effort for such a build.

A engine drivetrain coming with 400hp from factory will not requires this kind of maintenance. But as already said, it comes down to usage.

I also dont like to compare budget builds (which are Proben to be possible) with a 24 or 26kWh battery to a 400hp petrol build. I feel this would be somehow extreme.

Furthermore, in your last post you wrote down pretty much the essence of what Im talking about. So in the end it seems that we are not that far from each other. I cant say it often enough, Im not against E mobility, but as it has its benefits it also has its downsides, as any thing in the world. And there will be the day when that kind of swap is the best thing to do. Maybe this day isnt even far. But today I think there are other good options to choose from. Anyway there need to be people out there working on that, since those are the ones who develop the know how and expirience to achieve this one day.

[glorydays]

Im no expert at all but it looks like it would be easier to put a BRZ shell on top of a model 3 drivetrain B is For Build style.

[Ultramaroon]

Just cut out some of the middle and solder it back together.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by glorydays

Im no expert at all but it looks like it would be easier to put a BRZ shell on top of a model 3 drivetrain B is For Build style.

I jokingly said the same in an earlier post. In reality, the body length, width and wheelbase don't match at all, which would make the botch job much harder.

For reference, the base Model 3 weighs 3,550lbs with a 50kW battery. It has a wheelbase of 113” and dimensions of 185x73x57”. This is a bit larger than an 86 at 101” wheelbase and 167x70x52”...

[Irace86.2.0]

400kW=536hp 2450lbs

[Irace86.2.0]

https://carbuzz.com/news/the-worlds-...rce=apple.news

This is a cool product for a body on frame design. These won't be cheap of course. Maybe that will change in the future.

[bcj]

Isn't that what the chebby volt started out as?

Had a skateboard like that you could put anything you wanted on top.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by bcj

Isn't that what the chebby volt started out as?

Had a skateboard like that you could put anything you wanted on top.

i believe gm's had at least 2 skateboard concepts since the 90's. they've never come to anything more than 'design studies'

[Ultramaroon]

For years I have been of the opinion that we will see standardized, hot-swapped battery modules and mechanized service stations. If it doesn't start for passenger cars, it will for commercial vehicles.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

For years I have been of the opinion that we will see standardized, hot-swapped battery modules and mechanized service stations. If it doesn't start for passenger cars, it will for commercial vehicles.

Tesla did the battery swap thing. They actually had a functional station. I think the price to swap a battery was too expensive, and it had less appeal to people wanting to keep their battery with their car. That, and I don’t know if the swap demo was more of a gimmick in the sense that there are coolant lines that would need disconnecting and topping off; it isn’t just an unscrew and screw the new one back in. That worked as a temporary demo, but coolant would be needed.

As you said, for commercial applications, this would be good.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...t-2015-6%3famp

[Irace86.2.0]

[Goingnowherefast]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

For years I have been of the opinion that we will see standardized, hot-swapped battery modules and mechanized service stations. If it doesn't start for passenger cars, it will for commercial vehicles.

It will never be a thing for passenger cars. The industry kind of decided that. Beyond the cost, it just doesn't make any sense at all when solid state batteries are coming up on the horizon.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast

It will never be a thing for passenger cars. The industry kind of decided that. Beyond the cost, it just doesn't make any sense at all when solid state batteries are coming up on the horizon.

There was a post somewhere else that one of the companies did a study on it, and it turns out people are really possessive of their battery packs, so many people wouldn't give them up even if it was an option

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast

It will never be a thing for passenger cars. The industry kind of decided that. Beyond the cost, it just doesn't make any sense at all when solid state batteries are coming up on the horizon.

Originally Posted by soundman98

There was a post somewhere else that one of the companies did a study on it, and it turns out people are really possessive of their battery packs, so many people wouldn't give them up even if it was an option

I have many unpopular opinions. Maybe they're thread-worthy.