Ace 4-2-1 Header - Page 18 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

CSG Mike · 09-14-2015, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ort895

stupid question, but these will fit with an auto, correct?

It sure will

shifter907 · 09-14-2015, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexBinJackson

I went from tomei uel and I was worried about losing the rumble aswell
But once you open it up you won't regret it think it sounds amazing for an el

Would you say the spending ~$1,500 justified?
I'm running a Tomei UEL right now, and I'm having a hard time throwing down for the header/overpipe combo until I'm some place I can get it tuned.

churchx · 09-14-2015, 11:01 AM

If you already have good header imho it's much harder to justify purchase of another header. Relative gains imho won't be that big to justify another expensive header full price.
Of course i would choose Ace's from currently available ones for initial purchases. But to upgrade existing aftermarket one? :/
But then again maybe you'll be lucky with selling your current header for good price. Tomei is also good header, maybe selling it will net some money back.

CSG Mike · 09-14-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx

If you already have good header imho it's much harder to justify purchase of another header. Relative gains imho won't be that big to justify another expensive header full price.
Of course i would choose Ace's from currently available ones for initial purchases. But to upgrade existing aftermarket one? :/
But then again maybe you'll be lucky with selling your current header for good price. Tomei is also good header, maybe selling it will net some money back.

Virtually every Ace header customer is upgrading from another aftermarket header. In fact, I think it's 100% of the customers, for the Type A. Quite frankly, this is the wrong header for penny pinchers; if you want the best of the best, then this is the header for you.

Elliryx · 09-14-2015, 02:56 PM

This is actually better than JDL UEL? I was for sure im getting jdl uel. Now I saw this thread back to square 1. *ouch*

shifter907 · 09-14-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx

If you already have good header imho it's much harder to justify purchase of another header. Relative gains imho won't be that big to justify another expensive header full price.
Of course i would choose Ace's from currently available ones for initial purchases. But to upgrade existing aftermarket one? :/
But then again maybe you'll be lucky with selling your current header for good price. Tomei is also good header, maybe selling it will net some money back.

I love the Tomei, and I've seen the potential that they have, but I also want to change over to an equal length setup for the sound. Selling my current header will recoup some of the cost so it won't be so bad up front, but it's a lot to fork out at the moment and I may just have to put it off for another year or so.

kch · 09-14-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliryx

This is actually better than JDL UEL? I was for sure im getting jdl uel. Now I saw this thread back to square 1. *ouch*

UEL vs EL. Totally different. Are you building a racecar where every HP matters? Or are you willing to sacrifice some top end for the characteristic subie rumble?

CSG Mike · 09-14-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kch

UEL vs EL. Totally different. Are you building a racecar where every HP matters? Or are you willing to sacrifice some top end for the characteristic subie rumble?

There is no "torque dip" with the Ace header. You get the best of both.

Elliryx · 09-14-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

There is no "torque dip" with the Ace header. You get the best of both.

You still get the same HP boost from jdl uel header. The only thing im giving up really is just the "uel rumble" compare to Ace EL header. Compare to jdl it has a lifetime warranty. Ace and jdl makes good headers I'm caught in between.

kch · 09-14-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

There is no "torque dip" with the Ace header. You get the best of both.

Except the sound. I'm not building a racecar, and the rumble makes me happy, so I went UEL. If I was more serious about trackdaybro, I'd totally look into this Ace 421.

sw20kosh · 09-14-2015, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliryx

You still get the same HP boost from jdl uel header

This is not true.

icybrzzz · 09-14-2015, 04:46 PM

From what i've read, this beats out the Nameless, Ptuning, and HKS EL headers??

Elliryx · 09-14-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kch

UEL vs EL. Totally different. Are you building a racecar where every HP matters? Or are you willing to sacrifice some top end for the characteristic subie rumble?

I like the rumble but right now I have oem header, I'm now thinking either Jdl uel or Ace EL. Do you need to get special tuning if you get Ace or it will be just fine with OFT?

Elliryx · 09-14-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

There is no "torque dip" with the Ace header. You get the best of both.

Do you still get the rumble with Ace EL?

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churchx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2014 GT86 Location: Latvia, Riga Posts: 4,333 Thanks: 696 Thanked 2,085 Times in 1,436 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	If you already have good header imho it's much harder to justify purchase of another header. Relative gains imho won't be that big to justify another expensive header full price. Of course i would choose Ace's from currently available ones for initial purchases. But to upgrade existing aftermarket one? :/ But then again maybe you'll be lucky with selling your current header for good price. Tomei is also good header, maybe selling it will net some money back.

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