Toyota GR Yaris

[Pat]

"The GR Yaris is a homologation car; it wouldn't surprise me if there were design considerations made to this car that wouldn't be applied to a street car.
Given the car can vary between 100% rwd to 100% fwd I am suggesting the "quality" of rotation is variable."

Yes, this is the cool, meaningful bit. I wonder what the power distribution setup was like in that video. Because, while one can only tell so much from a video, it sure looked and sounded like it plowed a lot. Well....like most other street cars, I guess.

[Galerion]

I think this video until the 8:10 mark does a good in giving insight into the topic of "rotation". That being said this is no GT 86. The car is built for grip and comes from the factory with some very good rubber. You certainly shouldn't expect the ass to get out of line on every single corner that you take.

I also just ordered mine. High Performance version in Pearl White. Non-committal delivery date is April 2021. So the big waiting game has begun

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Galerion

I think this video until the 8:10 mark does a good in giving insight into the topic of "rotation". That being said this is no GT 86. The car is built for grip and comes from the factory with some very good rubber. You certainly shouldn't expect the ass to get out of line on every single corner that you take.

I also just ordered mine. High Performance version in Pearl White. Non-committal delivery date is April 2021. So the big waiting game has begun

Well done. Any ideas on numbers available/sold?

[Galerion]

Originally Posted by JD001

Well done. Any ideas on numbers available/sold?

My dealer said he already sold a few. I also heard somewhere there have been over 6000 preorders already which is pretty good when you consider that there will be only 25000 and that at this point in time you have buy it blind just like I did.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Galerion

I think this video until the 8:10 mark does a good in giving insight into the topic of "rotation". That being said this is no GT 86. The car is built for grip and comes from the factory with some very good rubber. You certainly shouldn't expect the ass to get out of line on every single corner that you take.

I also just ordered mine. High Performance version in Pearl White. Non-committal delivery date is April 2021. So the big waiting game has begun

Yeah, that looks much more interesting now. He was countersteering in places. Nice. My hope has been renewed.

[nikitopo]

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Galerion

which is pretty good when you consider that there will be only 25000

I thought I had read that it was a "production" car. That is, there is no hard limit on the number of cars produced.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I appreciate it's impossible to separate the marketing spiel from reality. Impossible.

But having said that it was said of the modern GT40 that Ford designed a race car first then made it road legal as opposed to the other way around.

The GR Yaris is a homologation car; it wouldn't surprise me if there were design considerations made to this car that wouldn't be applied to a street car.
Given the car can vary between 100% rwd to 100% fwd I am suggesting the "quality" of rotation is variable.

Design considerations yes, but after the fiasco of idiots crashing FRS in the first week of the car being out I would not be surprised if the car had tons of understeer dialed in to make sure no one does something so moronic. I also would bet there are ways to easily fix it.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I thought I had read that it was a "production" car. That is, there is no hard limit on the number of cars produced.

Every production car has a limit on how many are produced, doesn't it?

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Every production car has a limit on how many are produced, doesn't it?

Gordon Murray says there are going to be 100 T.50 street and 25 track T.50 cars made. That is, a set, fixed number of cars.

Toyota does not announce how many Camrys they are going to build.
My post was suggesting the GR Yaris was closer to the Camry non-announcement than the Murray fixed number announcement. That is, The GR Yaris is not a "limited" production run.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

That is, The GR Yaris is not a "limited" production run.

It is NOT a limited production car and there is not any relationship with homologation. The days a manufacturer had to produce a street car "close" to the rally specifications is over for decades. Toyota was using for at least 2-3 years a Yaris WRC car without having a Yaris AWD production model. I would say that the 25000 number is a threshold to mark the model either successful or not in terms of margin performance and internal targets.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

It is NOT a limited production car and there is not any relationship with homologation. The days a manufacturer had to produce a street car "close" to the rally specifications is over for decades. Toyota was using for at least 2-3 years a Yaris WRC car without having a Yaris AWD production model. I would say that the 25000 number is a threshold to mark the model either successful or not in terms of margin performance and internal targets.

I've read a few articles saying Toyota has to build 25,000 cars to meet homologation.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I've read a few articles saying Toyota has to build 25,000 cars to meet homologation.

This was more a marketing driven decision and not so much an engineering driven decision. You can check the complete details below. Here is an excerpt:

Ask any current designer for the best base model for a World Rally Car and they’ll take you to the base model found up and down supermarket car parks.

What they won’t ask for is the marketing-driven, gen z-focused hot road car which comes in almost as wide as a current World Rally Car. It’s true. Ogier’s car in Sweden this week was based on a road car 1510mm wide. Elfyn’s Yaris in 12 months will have come off a hot hatch 1805mm wide – that’s only 70-mil narrower than the Yaris WRC.

One rival designer admitted this had caused the odd bit of head scratching.

“You want the narrowest car possible,” they said. “That gives you as much room as possible to work to the maximum width – that’s where the freedom is. Starting with a very wide road car could potentially compromise the World Rally Car.”


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/toyot...earned-so-far/

[Galerion]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

It is NOT a limited production car and there is not any relationship with homologation. The days a manufacturer had to produce a street car "close" to the rally specifications is over for decades. Toyota was using for at least 2-3 years a Yaris WRC car without having a Yaris AWD production model. I would say that the 25000 number is a threshold to mark the model either successful or not in terms of margin performance and internal targets.

The new WRC car is based on the GR Yaris though and not the normal one therefore it requires homologation.

In the footnotes of this official article from Toyota they also mention that.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/to...RfDOXL8.mailto


The car will be in production for a year and 25.000 will be built. That's why Toyota has given people the option to reserve one. Once they are all accounted for it's done.
25.000 is still plenty though. I don't think there will be too many people disappointed that they can't get one. Besides all the people in NA of course.

It will certainly not be the same situation as with my Yaris GRMN which is so rare most people have never seen one before.