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Old 04-18-2019, 02:49 AM   #15
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:29 AM   #16
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Not all 2013 MY have the spring recall, check the VIN first, and like any other sporty car: look for unmodified, maintenance records, and low miles.
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:27 AM   #17
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If the spring recall was done at least 2000 miles ago, it will be fine, all failures with the recall service seemed to occur within 500 miles of getting the service done. If I were you though, I'd eat the extra cost of a 2014 or 15 model year car because other common issues were resolved in those model years but if you are getting a particularly good deal on a 13, I wouldn't turn it down based on being a MY13 alone.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:09 AM   #18
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Hi, I am looking to purchase my first Toyota 86, however I have just learnt about the recall for 2012 - 2013 models. I have 3 questions.

1. Should I absolutely avoid buying the 2012/2013 model of the 86 even if it’s had its recall done?
If anything, avoid buying one that's HAD the recall done, they're blowing up like fireworks after. Toyota is doing a bad job working on the subie engines.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:44 AM   #19
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My 14 Monogram Edition has a 1-14 build date. I've put about 8,000 miles on it and the odometer is now about 37,000. I've changed oil twice at about 3500 and didn't notice any significant consumption. However I just discovered a front timing-cover leak. I have only 3-400 miles on it since I cleaned the cover, and no oil on the garage floor yet. I canceled plans to install my new oil cooler last weekend because of the leak. I'll drop the pan in about 1000 miles and see how much oil I'll find at the leak spot.


Other than that, the car has been totally reliable and lots of fun to drive. I don't plan to go FI because of the reliability factor, but do plan a header and tune. That'll pretty much be it for mods. I tend to keep cars for a long time, so if I don't run into an irresistible deal on a Cayman or something similar, I'll probably have the 86 for many years.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:51 AM   #20
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I consider this car reliable, and that's coming from someone who lost an engine at 64,000 miles from a fluke failure of the oil pump gear. I would 100% buy this car again.

However, personally I'd stay away from the ones subject to the recall if I intended to rely on the car as my only transportation. There seems to be an issue with the recall work itself sometimes causing more problems than it fixes. The 2014 and later models are not significantly more expensive than the 2013 models, so there doesn't seem to be much of a downside to just restricting your search to the cars made after the batch with the questionable valve springs.

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My car never leaked or consumed a drop of oil between 22,000 miles when I bought it and 56,000 miles today.
The factory engine in mine didn't use any oil. The one the dealership assembled to replace the factory motor sprung a leak that was then fixed under warranty, and it has gone back to using no oil in the few thousand miles since that repair. It may pop again, but so far so good.

My general impression (which could be wrong) is that the ones that leak or burn oil generally have either been opened up for service at some point or modded in such a manner that has caused some unusual wear. If I bought a used one that hadn't been modded or beat to shit, I wouldn't expect the heavy oil consumption the Impreza guys are always complaining about.
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I consider this car reliable, and that's coming from someone who lost an engine at 64,000 miles from a fluke failure of the oil pump gear. I would 100% buy this car again.

However, personally I'd stay away from the ones subject to the recall if I intended to rely on the car as my only transportation. There seems to be an issue with the recall work itself sometimes causing more problems than it fixes. The 2014 and later models are not significantly more expensive than the 2013 models, so there doesn't seem to be much of a downside to just restricting your search to the cars made after the batch with the questionable valve springs.





The factory engine in mine didn't use any oil. The one the dealership assembled to replace the factory motor sprung a leak that was then fixed under warranty, and it has gone back to using no oil in the few thousand miles since that repair. It may pop again, but so far so good.

My general impression (which could be wrong) is that the ones that leak or burn oil generally have either been opened up for service at some point or modded in such a manner that has caused some unusual wear. If I bought a used one that hadn't been modded or beat to shit, I wouldn't expect the heavy oil consumption the Impreza guys are always complaining about.


I had to resort to swapping my engine since I didn’t realize how low my oil was and blew a bearing. Already had 80k on it, might as well get a newer engine


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If anything, avoid buying one that's HAD the recall done, they're blowing up like fireworks after. Toyota is doing a bad job working on the subie engines.
The BRZs are going at a proportional rate to the FRS so it isn't just the Toyota techs. Not sure they are going like fireworks either but there are certainly more than should be acceptable.
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My general impression (which could be wrong) is that the ones that leak or burn oil generally have either been opened up for service at some point or modded in such a manner that has caused some unusual wear.
Dangerous to make generalizations. Mine has used oil from day one. I first thought it was due to the engine break-in so didn't report it. But it's only used about a quart per 3k miles so way lower than what Subaru considers normal (one quart per 600miles).

Consumption has dropped to about one quart per 5k miles since I switched to 0W-30 oil...

Back to OP's question, if you are getting an M/T, you might want to get a 2017+ due to throw out bearing issues ($800 repair). The TOB was updated in MY2017 cars. But OTOH I haven't had any issues after replacement.
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Dangerous to make generalizations. Mine has used oil from day one. I first thought it was due to the engine break-in so didn't report it. But it's only used about a quart per 3k miles so way lower than what Subaru considers normal (one quart per 600miles).

Consumption has dropped to about one quart per 5k miles since I switched to 0W-30 oil...

Back to OP's question, if you are getting an M/T, you might want to get a 2017+ due to throw out bearing issues ($800 repair). The TOB was updated in MY2017 cars. But OTOH I haven't had any issues after replacement.
There have been a handful of 17s with the TOB issue since it was changed late in 2016 and some 17s had already been built. They are even included in the TSB. The issue is pretty hit and miss anyway with many guys having put a pile of miles on with no issues. Others of us had it fail in spectacular manner way early.

My car has never lost so much as a drop of oil so this is another thing that seems to be really hit and miss.
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I wouldn't touch one that has had the recall done.

If it hasn't been done then you can buy it, but don't do the recall, there is no need for it.
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