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86viper · 10-02-2014, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo_12v

Edit: personally not a fan of E85. Sure its good for easy HP gains, but for long term? I wouldn't risk it on my engine just for a few extra hp..

Its more than a few hp....30,000 km of daily beating on without issue and counting

I can only account for my personal experience here and give you the cold hard numbers.

Keep in mind, I am in Australia and our dyno's tend to read a whole lot lower.

These results were done on the same day, in the same conditions on the same dyno

A dead stock but run in 86 will put down about 105rwkw. We had several stock cars run and most were around this figure by a few kw. A brand spanker from the very day before made 99rwkw. But lets use 105rwkw as a baseline.

My Car has the following performance mods

Openflash UEL Header
Motiv Overpipe
Invidia Catless Front pipe (with 100cell race cat installed into it)
Invidia N1 Catback
OFT with e85 map, custom tuned, stock redline
Full Raceseng Pulley Kit
Free Snorkal Intake Mod
Perrin Intake tube

The fuel used is an excellent e85 fuel consistently tested at between 93 and 95% Ethanol content

My car has done just under 40,000km, 30,000 of it on the e85 tune.

At the dyno day I ran up 132rwkw. A 27rwkw or 25.8% gain.

If I was making 200hp stock at the fly the car is now making 250ish flywheel hp.

There is also 100+nm of extra torque all in the low/mid range and the line flattens untill 7000rpm. Its a completely different car to drive. Having driven a number of different cars of all types, a high 13 at the strip is defiantly going to be possible under the right conditions as well.

My point about all this is, if I can make 250+ crank hp from a budget friendly set of mods then 260-280 is realistic with cams and other mid level N/A builds. As for how much more is realistic we will have to wait and see.

For interests sake, at a local supra/86 dyno meet, I beat all the N/A supra's there

cdrazic93 · 10-02-2014, 11:47 PM

anyone give some thought to asking FBM for some custom forged 12.5 (or higher CR):1 pistons to be put in their up and coming big bore block? that with their stage 2 heads and cams, Ptuning race header, some nice exhaust...I bet thatd be one hell of a motor.

cmdboy_347 · 10-03-2014, 01:33 PM

Hey guys,
I am trying to make about or close to 200whp? Will the following mods be sufficient?

Openflash UEL Header
Openflash tablet
Perrin intake
Stock Exhaust and mid pipe/over pipe?

M23 · 10-03-2014, 06:24 PM

Am I the only one, or are you guys sick and tired of seeing "NA Build" threads, topics and discussions that only consist of wussy header and exhaust pieces and a tune? Imo, these are "Bolt-On Builds" and nothing else. Definitely not even a mild or medium "NA Build"

Let's see some REAL "NA" parts from companies and builds already... you know, like what we used to do back in the day with Honda DOHC engines: proper legit stuff like cams, valve springs, pistons, destrokes, upstrokes, higher revs, intake manifolds, ITBs, etc.

Sick of reading only about "headers" this, "exhaust" that or "tune" this, "bolt-on" that. What's this 86 world coming to, lol.

jflogerzi · 10-03-2014, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdboy_347

Hey guys,
I am trying to make about or close to 200whp? Will the following mods be sufficient?

Openflash UEL Header
Openflash tablet
Perrin intake
Stock Exhaust and mid pipe/over pipe?

With e85 yes

jdmblood · 10-03-2014, 07:45 PM

ptuning did 200whp on 93 but those headers are 1200 bucks....curious as to what those headers are capable of doing on e85. 220?

raven1231 · 10-03-2014, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmblood

ptuning did 200whp on 93 but those headers are 1200 bucks....curious as to what those headers are capable of doing on e85. 220?

mine did 260 on E85 with the power blocks

jdmblood · 10-03-2014, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231

mine did 260 on E85 with the power blocks

260 on e85 n/a on stock block? dyno sheet or it didn't happen...

gramicci101 · 10-03-2014, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmblood

260 on e85 n/a on stock block? dyno sheet or it didn't happen...

He has a phantom ESC. So, he doesn't belong in this thread.

DC2R · 10-03-2014, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101

He has a phantom ESC. So, he doesn't belong in this thread.

Phantom did 260 Whp?

jdmblood · 10-03-2014, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101

He has a phantom ESC. So, he doesn't belong in this thread.

lmao thread of title is na power... And I don't think 260 is possible either from phantom

gramicci101 · 10-03-2014, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC2R

Phantom did 260 Whp?

No idea, I'm just going off his build thread. I prefer my superchargers belt-driven.

cmdboy_347 · 10-03-2014, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmblood

ptuning did 200whp on 93 but those headers are 1200 bucks....curious as to what those headers are capable of doing on e85. 220?

200whp on what headers? what brand?

jdmblood · 10-03-2014, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdboy_347

200whp on what headers? what brand?

on ptuning 4-1 el headers

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71715

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M23 Banned Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: 86 Location: Penisville SoCal Posts: 344 Thanks: 197 Thanked 88 Times in 58 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Am I the only one, or are you guys sick and tired of seeing "NA Build" threads, topics and discussions that only consist of wussy header and exhaust pieces and a tune? Imo, these are "Bolt-On Builds" and nothing else. Definitely not even a mild or medium "NA Build" Let's see some REAL "NA" parts from companies and builds already... you know, like what we used to do back in the day with Honda DOHC engines: proper legit stuff like cams, valve springs, pistons, destrokes, upstrokes, higher revs, intake manifolds, ITBs, etc. Sick of reading only about "headers" this, "exhaust" that or "tune" this, "bolt-on" that. What's this 86 world coming to, lol.

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