Who has upgraded... and regretted?

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Yup or get something 'in between' that scratches your itches. It's a bit of a moving target for me - my FR-S is certainly a compromise car, but you could argue just about every car is a sort of compromise. I'd look to an M3 as a possible step up that can 'do it all', but then again I'd consider a 997.1 + 100 series land cruiser + trailer with shifter kart attached Wife may protest about too many cars in the driveway though.

But the moving target part is - I still care about running costs, and I can't beat the combination of affordability, fun, and flexibility the FR-S brings. I can cart my kids around, fit golf clubs in the trunk, fit a BUNCH of stuff with the back seat down, get close to 40mpg on the highway, all while looking good and cackling like a maniac.

I guess I need to make more money, so the affordability factor stops being an issue.

If I were shorter, I could see getting a Miata. The BMWs are expensive to maintain and repair. The Porsches are the same. A Miata is cheaper but you gotta be small and not care about carrying anything. Mustang? A boat. Camaro? A boat. Also those tires are expensive. Also you can't enjoy running through the gears because it happens too damned fast when you have 400+ HP. No, twins with a tune FTMFW.

[Packofcrows]

I been itchy for a WRX..... /drool.

But as a second car... i dont think i can get rid of my frs.

[NeverInTime]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

If I were shorter, I could see getting a Miata. The BMWs are expensive to maintain and repair. The Porsches are the same. A Miata is cheaper but you gotta be small and not care about carrying anything. Mustang? A boat. Camaro? A boat. Also those tires are expensive. Also you can't enjoy running through the gears because it happens too damned fast when you have 400+ HP. No, twins with a tune FTMFW.

A friend of mine bought an '17 Miata with the BBS club performance page a month after I bought my car. That car is a kind of fun that's just different than what you'll find in a BRZ/86, and in the normally sunny weather here in SoCal that retractable roof is amazing. It's also much better put-together in terms of features and interior build quality too.

That being said, I still do prefer the BRZ as it's my DD, friend-hauler, and grocery-getter. The Miata literally doesn't have space in the center console for your phone if you have the larger iPhone/Samsung Note Tablet phones lol. I've even managed to fit four adults in my car before, though the person sitting behind me wasn't exactly happy with the experience.

[Tangizdope]

Getting tired of the non existent low end torque of our 86's. It's getting frustrating in traffic. Thinking about getting a wrx, sti, or mustang gt. I don't know if I'll miss the 86 or not tbh.

[GrantedTaken]

Originally Posted by Tangizdope

Getting tired of the non existent low end torque of our 86's. It's getting frustrating in traffic. Thinking about getting a wrx, sti, or mustang gt. I don't know if I'll miss the 86 or not tbh.

Learn how to downshift.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

I been itchy for a WRX..... /drool.

But as a second car... i dont think i can get rid of my frs.

I'd love a second car, but not at that price. I'd rather have an AW11 or a Mk2 Supra, much easier on the wallet.

Originally Posted by Tangizdope

Getting tired of the non existent low end torque of our 86's. It's getting frustrating in traffic. Thinking about getting a wrx, sti, or mustang gt. I don't know if I'll miss the 86 or not tbh.

Sports Car. Seriously it revs to 60 in 2nd, there is plenty of torque.

[Tangizdope]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

Learn how to downshift.

Downshift all the time...
If you've driven other cars you would know you don't have to rev to the sky to get torque. I don't know about you but I don't like to rev high as hell just to keep with traffic.
Why do people get so butthurt when people say there is no low end torque on these cars? There is a giant dip in torque known to everyone already.

[Tangizdope]

Originally Posted by why?

Sports Car. Seriously it revs to 60 in 2nd, there is plenty of torque.

I wouldn't want to redline in traffic. Maybe you drive different.
Driving spiritedly near redline all the time is where the power is fine. I'm not talking about that. It's about day to day driving to keep up with traffic down low on the rpms from 1k to 4k rpm.

[Yoshoobaroo]

God I know right? This car is so freaking slow when you don't know how to drive it!

I came from a 400WHP-460WTQ car to the BRZ and I had no trouble adjusting my driving style. Redlining? Literally every chance I get.

[Tangizdope]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

God I know right? This car is so freaking slow when you don't know how to drive it!

I came from a 400WHP-460WTQ car to the BRZ and I had no trouble adjusting my driving style. Redlining? Literally every chance I get.

The car isn't slow. I never said the car was slow. It just lacks low end power. Car is fun as hell when in the upper rpms. Driving on a back road upshifting and downshifting is what makes it even more fun. I'd rather be shifting than staying in one gear the whole time when driving through the twisties.
Just want more torque down low for day to day driving. Not sure why everyone is so triggered about that. Never called the car slow...

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Tangizdope

The car isn't slow. I never said the car was slow. It just lacks low end power. Car is fun as hell when in the upper rpms. Driving on a back road upshifting and downshifting is what makes it even more fun. I'd rather be shifting than staying in one gear the whole time when driving through the twisties.
Just want more torque down low for day to day driving. Not sure why everyone is so triggered about that. Never called the car slow...

Good grief people lay off the guy, you know what he means.

If you want to DD your 86, look into a good quality header + good tune, will fatten up the midrange and get rid of the torque dip. Changes how the car performs, and makes it much more relaxed in everyday commuting. That said, it's a compromise car when you're looking for a relaxed commute, will never be any other way. Mustang or WRX will be better at this and a lot of fun (way more power) but won't have anywhere near the scrappy & connected feel of the 86. Go drive them and it'll be apparent - from there you can decide where you want to go.

[AFRichZC6]

Originally Posted by Tangizdope

The car isn't slow. I never said the car was slow. It just lacks low end power. Car is fun as hell when in the upper rpms. Driving on a back road upshifting and downshifting is what makes it even more fun. I'd rather be shifting than staying in one gear the whole time when driving through the twisties.
Just want more torque down low for day to day driving. Not sure why everyone is so triggered about that. Never called the car slow...

No, it's ok to say it. The car is slow, but for many, it's worth looking past that because it does everything else pretty well. For daily-driving through traffic from light to light, I agree with you. Most times I prefer a powerband that allows me to accelerate from a stop quicker without having to wind out the first two gears. Ignorance is bliss for people who think the car isn't slow in a straight line.

A car that can accelerate fairly quickly in a straight line along with being good at everything else the 86/FRS/BRZ does is called a Cayman

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Good grief people lay off the guy, you know what he means.

If you want to DD your 86, look into a good quality header + good tune, will fatten up the midrange and get rid of the torque dip. Changes how the car performs, and makes it much more relaxed in everyday commuting. That said, it's a compromise car when you're looking for a relaxed commute, will never be any other way. Mustang or WRX will be better at this and a lot of fun (way more power) but won't have anywhere near the scrappy & connected feel of the 86. Go drive them and it'll be apparent - from there you can decide where you want to go.

Agreed. WRX and Mustang have nice power, but they are lacking in feel. Not many options out there that have a fatter powerband that offer a similar driving experience as the 86 that are easily accessible/affordable.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by AFRichZC6

No, it's ok to say it. The car is slow.

A hatchback with <100hp is slow. 0-60 in 6.2 seconds is not. The 987 Cayman is a whole .4 secs faster, but the Cayman hits 60 in second gear, we have to shift to 3rd. That makes this pretty much a wash. It certainly doesn't feel any faster to me.

And the Cayman has a torque dip too :@

Originally Posted by AFRichZC6

A car that can accelerate fairly quickly in a straight line along with being good at everything else the 86/FRS/BRZ does is called a Cayman .

Now don't get me wrong, I love the Cayman, probably the only car I could upgrade to from the BRZ. If only the 987 could get my kids to school, like the BRZ does..

[86MLR]

I "upgraded" from a MX5 to a 2015 WRX STI, I hated it, so then I "downgraded" to a 2017 86.

My NA tuned 86 is now the same power as the STI when it was stock. Yes there's alot more under the curve, but still the 86 is more fun.

I much prefer the 86, it's got all the major food groups required for fun, RWD-manual-coupe-light weight.