100% DI Failure with Nurburgring rentals

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

Problem is that MOST of us don't drive like this, so we would never see/experience the issue anyway. An aftermarket tune (which you will see why you want one when you get the car....torque dip) can be made to counter this problem as well, or should be able to.

People are getting all stupid over a problem that they will never see. It's somewhat comical IMHO. If Toyota comes out with a re-flash, will I get it? ABSOLUTELY! If they don't am I going to sell my car? HELL NO!

You're never going to redline and shift aggressively? Because that is the only cause laid out in the only published TSB. It may say this is "abnormal operation" but the description seems pretty damn normal to me.

The above operation occurs when the engine rpm is above 5200 rpm.
=shifting up rapidly from 3rd to 4th, 4th to 5th, 5th to 6th from 7450 rpm. (E.g. shifting from 3rd @7450 rpm up to 4th finishing @5864 rpm)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...48&postcount=5

Yeah it may only affect a small number of people, but I'd rather find out sooner than later.

[thill]

The above operation occurs when the engine rpm is above 5200 rpm.
=shifting up rapidly from 3rd to 4th, 4th to 5th, 5th to 6th from 7450 rpm. (E.g. shifting from 3rd @7450 rpm up to 4th finishing @5864 rpm)

Any ideas what speeds we are talking about on the street if you are upshifting from 3rd @7400rpm or so into 4th @5864rpm as that example implies?

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by ayau

I wouldn't go that far and say never. It might just take a longer time for the issue to arise. No one knows right now. If the problem is truly caused by quick red line shifting, then it's a pretty big issue IMO.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

You're never going to redline and shift aggressively? Because that is the only cause laid out in the only published TSB. It may say this is "abnormal operation" but the description seems pretty damn normal to me.

I shift aggressively every every so often when the "need" occurs. And if it were a "big issue" there would be more affected. I can promise you that there are more than 20 people, just on this forum, whose car see red line pretty often. While I am not one of them, I know a couple of guys here in San Diego, who ran their cars pretty hard on the way up to Palomar, this included high RPM shifting.

@strat61caster, there is another TSB, at least it pertains to the DI system failing and it also requires an ECU flash. I'm gonna go try and get a copy here in a few if I have the time. I'm not sure it's the same thing, but it doesn't get touched according to Toyota unless there is a light or failure.

[Dezoris]

My tip has melted, now that my injector is overheated when I need it to spray it just pops and dribbles out. This happens whenever I pick up women after my track days.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

My tip has melted, now that my injector is overheated when I need it to spray it just pops and dribbles out. This happens whenever I pick up women after my track days.

You need to take that in for service.. Hopefully Obamacare will have a TSB for that soon...

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by thill

You need to take that in for service.. Hopefully Obamacare will have a TSB for that soon...

Obamacare will cover that around the time the boat from Japan arrives with my replacement seals and injectors 2 years from now.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Obamacare will cover that around the time the boat from Japan arrives with my replacement seals and injectors 2 years from now.

6 years or 60k miles

[Diode Dynamics]

Originally Posted by thill

You need to take that in for service.. Hopefully Obamacare will have a TSB for that soon...

-Nick C.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by thill

Any ideas what speeds we are talking about on the street if you are upshifting from 3rd @7400rpm or so into 4th @5864rpm as that example implies?

There should be a graph that shows the speeds relative RPMs somewhere, but I can't seem to find it.

This post might give you an idea though.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...65&postcount=2

[Sigh-on-Rice]

Originally Posted by thill

Any ideas what speeds we are talking about on the street if you are upshifting from 3rd @7400rpm or so into 4th @5864rpm as that example implies?

If you're on 215/45/17 tires, then it will be 83.9 mph in 3rd gear at 7400 RPM.

[track junkie]

Originally Posted by regal

Guys this is just speculation. That South Aftrican document is just a memo from someone who found a glaring error by the JDM engineers, not a TSB. It doesn't mean that "fast shifting" is the sole issue. People that are really looking at the tune with this car have been logging detonation all over the place with the factory tune.

If the ECU software revision came from Toyota, it certainly wouldn't be just for South Africa.
Toyota's total Africa sales of all vehicles amount to just 3% of Toyota's total world sales.

Just ask your dealer for the newest ECU software.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by track junkie

Just ask your dealer for the newest ECU software.

The latest ECU update was in November for the "idle dip" before this problem surfaced.

Edit: My bad December.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23502

Edit2: For reference, all the official recalls and updates.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21868

[s0sl0w]

So everything I'm reading here seems to indicate that if you have a car built after 21JAN2013 you really don't have anything to worry about?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by s0sl0w

So everything I'm reading here seems to indicate that if you have a car built after 21JAN2013 you really don't have anything to worry about?

The problem only came to light a couple months ago, around February March.

There is zero official acknowledgement of this issue, the current status is if it blows you go get it replaced under warranty. Repeat until something changes. No "fix" as of yet.