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Old 06-28-2020, 12:04 PM   #1
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Series 10 Carbon Fiber

Does anyone know if the Series 10 carbon fiber pieces are real carbon fiber or ABS with a carbon look?

I'm planning out this build and I'm gonna clean and polish these if they're real, replace them with real CF if they're faux.

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It is not real carbon.
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It is not real carbon.
I didn't think so. Looks and fades like plastic.

Now to make a list and buy them in CF. Pretty sure I'm gonna keep the stock look aside from ride height.

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Looks and fades like plastic.
'Carbon Fiber' IS plastic.
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Real carbon fiber is made from different weaves of actual carbon filaments that have already been "spun". You mix that with resins and vacuum/heat to produce panels.


So not sure where "plastic" comes in..
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Real carbon fiber is made from different weaves of actual carbon filaments that have already been "spun". You mix that with resins and vacuum/heat to produce panels.


So not sure where "plastic" comes in..
the decorative carbon fiber that everyone generally refers to uses the cf more for it's aesthetic, with various amounts of plastic-type resins to encapsulate it and retain the panels stiffness/shape.

'dry' or 'prepeg' carbon fiber prioritizes the carbon fibers strength over it's appearance by using as little resin as possible.
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Are you guys talking about an interior trim that makes no difference in anything? Not a carbon fiber drive shaft or something functionally important right?

I don't see any point of using real carbon fiber in a place where it has no strength and/or weight advantage over ordinary plastic. In that sense, it is waste of carbon fiber for inside trim, real, fake or whatever. To me, using unnecessary carbon fiber just for decoration is also fake.
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There is no real carbon fiber on any of the 10-Series cars. It's just plastic with a molded fiber pattern.
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Real carbon fiber is made from different weaves of actual carbon filaments that have already been "spun". You mix that with resins and vacuum/heat to produce panels.


So not sure where "plastic" comes in..

Real ‘Carbon Fiber’ is actually called Graphite fiber reinforced plastic, or carbon fiber reinforced plastic. The matrix is plastic. Spun/laid/woven/chopped whatever shape graphite fibers reinforcing said plastic.

My point was that both can be shined up with plastic polish as they’re both plastic. Just don’t sand down to the fibers on the real thing.
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Are you guys talking about an interior trim that makes no difference in anything? Not a carbon fiber drive shaft or something functionally important right?

I don't see any point of using real carbon fiber in a place where it has no strength and/or weight advantage over ordinary plastic. In that sense, it is waste of carbon fiber for inside trim, real, fake or whatever. To me, using unnecessary carbon fiber just for decoration is also fake.
I'm referring to the fog light surrounds, windshield cowling, and rear air dam specifically. Real laid CF peices would be more rigid and durable than the CF pattern printed plastics.

Though I may also replace some of the interior with CF. But not the dash since it lights up all fancy. I want to go with a blue trim interior that is otherwise Series 10 stock.

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I'm referring to the fog light surrounds, windshield cowling, and rear air dam specifically. Real laid CF peices would be more rigid and durable than the CF pattern printed plastics.

Though I may also replace some of the interior with CF. But not the dash since it lights up all fancy. I want to go with a blue trim interior that is otherwise Series 10 stock.

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What about the stock pieces makes you think they're not durable?
My car has seen scenarios like the photo of it below, and my bumper/bezels and rear bumper are totally unscathed.


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What about the stock pieces makes you think they're not durable?

My car has seen scenarios like the photo of it below, and my bumper/bezels and rear bumper are totally unscathed.





I thnk you misunderstand. I'm not saying they're not durable. I'm saying CF is more durable. The CF printed plastics on my Series 10 that I named are damaged and/or highly worn: my car just hit 115k miles. While there are methods of polishing the plastics, I'm looking at doing a 2.0 update on it and would like the added touch of a true CF over the CF patterned plastic.

Also, my front bumper is pretty beat up from previous owners. I think my biggest challenge will be finding the silver ignition paint and a shop that can apply it to OEM spec. But I'm just starting to look.

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I thnk you misunderstand. I'm not saying they're not durable. I'm saying CF is more durable. The CF printed plastics on my Series 10 that I named are damaged and/or highly worn: my car just hit 115k miles. While there are methods of polishing the plastics, I'm looking at doing a 2.0 update on it and would like the added touch of a true CF over the CF patterned plastic.

Also, my front bumper is pretty beat up from previous owners. I think my biggest challenge will be finding the silver ignition paint and a shop that can apply it to OEM spec. But I'm just starting to look.

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things made out of 'plastic' is the same as things made by 'honda'. there's a metric crapton of variations within the category. just because one type of plastic gets brittle and breaks in certain conditions does not mean that all plastics will.

i can say for certain that the urethane/poly propalene 'plastic' bumpers and cowling pieces are much more durable than a rigid carbon fiber piece of in those areas. they have much more flexibility as a plastic variant than any carbon fiber process currently available.

carbon fiber parts will retain more rigidity until they come into contact with something. and then they'll splinter like cordwood, or your wallet when you see the replacement costs...
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carbon fiber parts will retain more rigidity until they come into contact with something. and then they'll splinter like cordwood, or your wallet when you see the replacement costs...
Well, I'm not exactly planning on hitting things.

Real CF is simply going to look better than the CF patterned plastics there now. Just like a real aluminum panel is going to look better than an aluminum wrap on a part. Yes, it costs more.
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