Potential Cause of rumored GR86’s blown engine? Seal packing(RTV) was peeled off

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Can’t tag Toyota, won’t let me on IG.

Tag @TOYOTAusa, not @Toyota. Works for me and other folks.

[RyanGreener]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Jack from Savage Geese reposted my story on IG. He has 8k followers.

Awesome stuff. I contacted SavageGeese and some other social media figures via their email contact on YT. Glad to see this can get more traction.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

What do you mean by shear lack of inspection? It looks like the cars being taken back to the dealers are being inspected. If you're talking about on the line. It's just not feasible, to pull the pan, remove the ATV, reapply by hand, and put back into the line. Because even if there isn't excess, it will have to be taken back down to a clean surface and reapplied.

I really think some of you are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

He said they didn't want to inspect his engine - perhaps it wasn't until later? They never mentioned the sealant, even though he showed them - perhaps they don't think that could be related to oil starvation...

Look I don't know man, but I do not like the amount of garbage sitting in those strainers and being found in the pan of almost everyone who has taken them apart. I wouldn't of though that was an overaction, I see it as a large amount of foreign matter in the oil that has the potential to degrade reliability through a number of ways.

Not only that, because its not exactly part of the car people are going to go open up all the time, nor something that is checked during regular services, its an issue that proves to be difficult to have the manufacturer admit to as a common issue.

I would really like to see some pictures of cars without being stuffed with grey goo honestly. Surely it cant be every car...

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not to mention that Toyota doesn’t make the damn things to start with

Firstly I don't really care who's plant it is. I own a BRZ, but this person owned a GR86 and so Toyota is the company obligated by law.

Secondly they sell it, in reality they had plenty of engineers that worked on the project, they are more than willing to say in every advertisement that they developed it, and they own a big chunk of the company where the car comes of the line...

Toyota doesn't get a pass because it "doesn’t make the damn things to start with", it did, in fact, start with them.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Firstly I don't really care who's plant it is. I own a BRZ, but this person owned a GR86 and so Toyota is the company obligated by law.

Secondly they sell it, in reality they had plenty of engineers that worked on the project, they are more than willing to say in every advertisement that they developed it, and they own a big chunk of the company where the car comes of the line...

Toyota doesn't get a pass because it "doesn’t make the damn things to start with", it did, in fact, start with them.

Don't get your knickers in a knot!
I didn't say they should get a pass nor that they are not responsible for the cars they sell. I said that they don't make the bloody things so can't inspect at the point of manufacture.
This is a MANUFACTURING issue and the plant making the error is ultimately tasked with correcting it.

Toyota has a 20% share in Subaru. This is not a controlling level.

[Robertw]

Originally Posted by Aon

Providing a summary of my situation via a copy-paste of my Facebook post.

That's horrible. Is it true Toyota corporate also denied the claim? If so, a precedent has been set, and this is going to be a huge problem for owners of this sports car. Every piece of marketing shows these cars drifting, and racing. Then a warranty claim is denied over an autox event, the least demanding form of motorsport. On top of that, Toyota creeping on social media looking for ways to deny a warranty claim is the icing on the cake.

Gazoo Racing, more like Gazoo Daily Driving.

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

STI/TRD/GR add ons are considered manufacturer parts and fully covered by warranty.

This is kind of my point in post #222. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=222

While i am not certain if dealers will install non-STi branded parts, I am certain they are willing to install the STI baffle which should keep your warranty intact, especially if the work was performed by a Suby dealer. What i was trying to suggest is that this is the best option for the "must drop the pan to inspect" group, this is the best way to go. If any early adopters are seriously concerned, i would open up a discussion with your dealer and see if they are willing to work with you. If they are not willing, no biggie, just let the damn thing blow (or not).

I think it might be a good idea to compile a list of known cases and the build date as they are reported. At least that will give some indication if there is a cut off as to when the problem was resolved.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Petah78

This is kind of my point in post #222. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=222

While i am not certain if dealers will install non-STi branded parts, I am certain they are willing to install the STI baffle which should keep your warranty intact, especially if the work was performed by a Suby dealer. What i was trying to suggest is that this is the best option for the "must drop the pan to inspect" group, this is the best way to go. If any early adopters are seriously concerned, i would open up a discussion with your dealer and see if they are willing to work with you. If they are not willing, no biggie, just let the damn thing blow (or not).

But they could just drop the pan and inspect the sealant without installing a baffle. The baffle does not eliminate the suspected issue anyway. It would be a band-aid at best.

A list would be a good idea actually. It would help show the real extent of the situation if nothing else. One of the big things with the recall mess was that there were only a handful of actual denials to repair but they posted so much and so often it made it seem far worse than it was. Once the list came out it was obvious that far more dealers were stepping up and taking responsibility for their error than weren't.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Don't get your knickers in a knot!
I didn't say they should get a pass nor that they are not responsible for the cars they sell. I said that they don't make the bloody things so can't inspect at the point of manufacture.
This is a MANUFACTURING issue and the plant making the error is ultimately tasked with correcting it.

Toyota has a 20% share in Subaru. This is not a controlling level.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see both Toyota and subaru people assessing faults and the solutions to them.

Just because the factory workers are all Subaru, doesn't mean that the engineering and manufacturing design team for the twins are all Subaru - they aren't.

I think 20% is enough to get boots on the ground, as they say

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But they could just drop the pan and inspect the sealant without installing a baffle. The baffle does not eliminate the suspected issue anyway. It would be a band-aid at best.

A list would be a good idea actually. It would help show the real extent of the situation if nothing else. One of the big things with the recall mess was that there were only a handful of actual denials to repair but they posted so much and so often it made it seem far worse than it was. Once the list came out it was obvious that far more dealers were stepping up and taking responsibility for their error than weren't.

You are right that they can drop the pan and inspect without installing the baffle.

I think the post mentioned that the baffle helps in a couple of ways:

1. Prevents the RTV from making it to the bottom of the pan thus it can't be sucked up by pick up. However, i can't see this being legit, unless the RTV is HUGE!
2. The baffle will keep a higher level of oil around the pick up better utilizing the other 4 sides even for oil delivery even if the main surface was clogged.

[OkieSnuffBox]

A buddy of mine was an instructor this past weekend and said the students '22 GR blew up at average pace as he was showing him the lines. He thinks it was a 12/22 build date doesn't remember for sure.

5500 miles.

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

A buddy of mine was an instructor this past weekend and said the students '22 GR blew up at average pace as he was showing him the lines. He thinks it was a 12/22 build date doesn't remember for sure.

5500 miles.

LOL.....i see time travel is now possible! I am sure you meant 12/21.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Petah78

You are right that they can drop the pan and inspect without installing the baffle.

I think the post mentioned that the baffle helps in a couple of ways:

1. Prevents the RTV from making it to the bottom of the pan thus it can't be sucked up by pick up. However, i can't see this being legit, unless the RTV is HUGE!
2. The baffle will keep a higher level of oil around the pick up better utilizing the other 4 sides even for oil delivery even if the main surface was clogged.

Or you could just remove the RTV and reseal properly.
This is like saying your heart has clogged arteries so you will get a splint put on your arm to prevent clots.

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or you could just remove the RTV and reseal properly.
This is like saying your heart has clogged arteries so you will get a splint put on your arm to prevent clots.

The problem is with the RTV on the pickup and starving the engine of oil, it's already done damage to the bearings and oil pump. Sure you can remove the RTV but you can't remove the damage.