2022+ Ecu cracked?! - Page 5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

PulsarBeeerz · 10-31-2022, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

@Kevin Vo video said that GR86 came with an aggressive tune from the factory assuming the best conditions/Octane and that the ECU will "knock" itself down using the big hammer AIM with learning.... that's not good for all of us in California lol I'd rather it learn "up"

Shouldn't really be an issue. Kevin was on 91oct for his dyno and turning. Delicious Tuning was using 91 as well with good results.

NoHaveMSG · 10-31-2022, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jflogerzi

that was my take away as well. Hence the smaller gap vs gen 1 with e85. ECU is pretty well maxed thus the smaller gains. Honestly Not sure its worth it on the 2nd Gen. But lets see when optimized Headers come. Will have my Popcorn rdy. I wish I could get Gen 2 power from my Gen 1 motor and that won't happen without boost.

If that was the case I would expect a larger difference with E85, not smaller. It is far more knock resistant.

VF Tuner · 10-31-2022, 09:04 PM

The ECU is *very* similar to the new arch of the 2.5 Forester. However it is uniquely different in its communication protocols.

This is a OBD only solution. No ECU removal. No sending out ECUs.

In stock trim the tune is ...I would not say "aggressive" but it is "well done." Much better done from the factory than what you'd expect.

This ECU / engine / vehicle also comes with some new cool stuff the previous gen did not have, like the new knock logic, the cam control, and the updated D4S (twin injection) control code.

I appreciate the dialogue here.

OkieSnuffBox · 10-31-2022, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VF Tuner

The ECU is *very* similar to the new arch of the 2.5 Forester. However it is uniquely different in its communication protocols.

This is a OBD only solution. No ECU removal. No sending out ECUs.

In stock trim the tune is ...I would not say "aggressive" but it is "well done." Much better done from the factory than what you'd expect.

This ECU / engine / vehicle also comes with some new cool stuff the previous gen did not have, like the new knock logic, the cam control, and the updated D4S (twin injection) control code.

I appreciate the dialogue here.

I agree it seems very well done. As well as the intake and exhaust tract. E85's knock resistant makes more gains on engines that don't flow as well.

So that it's only making 5 more whp over the 91 tune, so shows there isn't much to be gained on the new platform. Unless some tuning house figures out some magic bullet header/cam timing/etc. Considering how much money goes into an OEM tune, it's looking like it not might be worth it.

spcmafia · 11-01-2022, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

Shouldn't really be an issue. Kevin was on 91oct for his dyno and turning. Delicious Tuning was using 91 as well with good results.

I was going to say too, Delicious Tunning is on Alpha testing as of this moment, I think. Their IG page has been pretty active about it and it seems things are looking good.

I personally, would much rather go for a company that has been dedicated to the platform (Delicious/CSG) than one that yes, they may offer another solution, but then at some point, decide to stop. In the case of OFT, which they didn't quite stop selling the product, just stopped actively supporting it.

VF Tuner · 11-01-2022, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by spcmafia

I was going to say too, Delicious Tunning is on Alpha testing as of this moment, I think. Their IG page has been pretty active about it and it seems things are looking good.

I personally, would much rather go for a company that has been dedicated to the platform (Delicious/CSG) than one that yes, they may offer another solution, but then at some point, decide to stop. In the case of OFT, which they didn't quite stop selling the product, just stopped actively supporting it.

This is a perfectly reasonable decision to make.

And reminds me that I need to let everyone know and understand that we will NOT be offering tunes for this vehicle. Only tuning software (the end-user / tuner) will be making the tune.

We support every platform in our software.

LRNAD90 · 11-01-2022, 10:42 AM

Do you think Edelbrock will be offering a Supercharge kit for the FA24? I believe Harrop already confirmed their supercharger physically fits onto the FA24, so assuming the same would be true for the Edelbrock..

Lantanafrs2 · 11-01-2022, 11:24 AM

I think a good header and e85 tune is going to net 10 percent over baseline which ain't too bad. They sell faster cars if you need one.

Lincoln Logs · 11-01-2022, 11:25 AM

Aftermarket boost is hardly worth the effort unless it is just a street car. Even then, I wouldn't do it again after years of playing with a supercharged track car. Stock or near stock is best, and just enjoy the damn thing.

NoHaveMSG · 11-01-2022, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

So that it's only making 5 more whp over the 91 tune, so shows there isn't much to be gained on the new platform.

That still doesn't make sense to me given the amount of energy in E85 at the proper AFR vs. regular E10, on top of the other benefits.

I'm sure it is obvious to others........

RToyo86 · 11-01-2022, 11:51 AM

Kevin Vo tuned his for E85 stock header and ended up with 227whp up 18whp over baseline of 209whp.

NoHaveMSG · 11-01-2022, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RToyo86

Kevin Vo tuned his for E85 stock header and ended up with 227whp up 18whp over baseline of 209whp.

Yes, but the 91oct tune hit 221.

PulsarBeeerz · 11-01-2022, 12:00 PM

Apparently even FBO with E85, only make 2whp over the stock configuration with E85 with KevinVo’s car. So, 229whp vs 227whp with a catless header. What header? OTL Performance EL prototype. Idk of FBO 91/93 result as of yet.

NoHaveMSG · 11-01-2022, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

Apparently even FBO with E85, only make 2whp over the stock configuration with E85 with KevinVo’s car. So, 229whp vs 227whp with a catless header. What header? OTL Performance EL prototype. Idk of FBO 91/93 result as of yet.

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RToyo86 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: 17 Asphalt 86 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,172 Thanks: 1,710 Thanked 2,217 Times in 1,132 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Kevin Vo tuned his for E85 stock header and ended up with 227whp up 18whp over baseline of 209whp.

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