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05-02-2014, 09:28 AM | #85 | |
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While a used oil analysis may show that the oil is still fine for continued use beyond a certain interval (6,000 miles or 7,500 miles), Blackstone will not be the ones to cover your Powertrain Warranty. If you don't have a 2015 you're fine going to 7,500 miles, although I wouldn't be surprised if dealers (or SoA) start recommending 6,000 miles across the board to keep it simple. Some dealers have a really hard time when cars use different viscosities and different oil change intervals. People post things on the Forester board like their dealer insisting that the turbo Forester specs 0W-20 when no turbo Subaru specs 0W-20. Yet. Some dealers also have a hard time keeping up with different oil filter requirements. -Dennis |
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05-02-2014, 09:32 AM | #86 |
Dennis this is DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER. Not a distributor. Why would the manufacturer want to not sell more expensive oil if they could?
Perhaps they changed the formula since those uoas? I would love to sell this stuff to every ricer in nj but not if the manufacturer states it isn't safe. Mike |
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IMO, you're really missing out on a sales opportunity because there are vendors on this forum selling it in droves. Now, if you could dig a little deeper and find out specifically why this is not recommended for street use (instead of DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER ), then I'm all ears. Of course, please start a different thread since this one is supposed to be about Mobil1. -Dennis |
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05-02-2014, 10:31 AM | #88 |
The follow up from Motul's tech department is that the additive packs are not compliant with any of the required ratings API, ILLSAC or ACEA. Therefore Motul does not recommend it for daily driven street cars and furthermore feel it is a waste of customers hard earned money to put in a non race car.
This is from the Motul corp tech department as of this morning. So unlike all the other resellers out there who would sell anything that makes them a profit, I actually value my customers loyalty and value the fact they work hard for their money just like me and won't oversell them on things they don't need. Just like all the vendors selling folks coilovers for the street, when it is completely a waste. Sorry but I actually can go to sleep at night knowing I didn't rip them off on products and services they didn't need. Mike |
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With regard to relatively thick ester based oils, why does RedLine have high fe numbers and Motul low, low fe numbers? Is it the scavenger effect?
With regard to groupIII+ oils, why does relatively very thin Sustina and TGMO run so clean, and shear so little? Why does thin MGMO shear with high amounts of moly in the oil. With regard to deposit control, why does groupIII Castrol with a moderate NOACK score better than Amsoil in the TEOST? Don't we need to be smart about NOACK as well as VI/VII? With regard to driving a BRZ/FRS is the goal good track times and also passing a smog check? Wouldn't it seem that a thin GF6 compliant GTL oil would be the answer? Just asking-in a whispered tone of voice. Last edited by viscositosis.rex; 05-02-2014 at 12:21 PM. |
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Well, not really free as you're forgoing other rewards programs. I flew to Japan on my credit card points this year.
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As to shear, be careful, you need an oil sample in the 1,000-3,000 mile range to really know. Shearing reduces viscosity, but oxidation, volatility and soot inclusion increase viscosity. Shearing happens soon in the OCI and then the other factors catch up, just because the oil came out of the engine the same viscosity it went in 5,000 miles ago doesn't mean it didn't shear. An oil which doesn't shear should get thicker by the end of the OCI. See my last run on Redline 5w30 in the NASIOC link above. What would moly have to do with shearing? The Mazda oil shears because it's chock full of shear-prone viscosity index improvers. NOACK is a general indicator of the quality of a base stock, that is a base stock with a narrower bell curve of molecular weights will have a lower NOACK than the same viscosity base stock with a broader molecular weight distribution. NOACK of a finished oil can be tricky though, some additives can actually reduce NOACK below that of the base stock, others increase it, it's simply one factor to consider. The TEOST 33C deposit test is one of several deposit tests in the API/ILSAC sequences. Since we don't know how the oils performed in the TEOST MHT, Sequence IIIG, or Sequence VG tests, it's impossible to make an evaluation of the relative performance of those oils when it comes to "deposits" generically. Redline did very poor in that test, despite base stocks which stand up excellently to high temperatures, most likely due to the high levels of moly which can be problematic in turbochargers. I don't know that GF6 will really change the calculus much it'll be a useful incremental improvement, but nothing a good GF5 oil won't provide. In the end, I think the best way to evaluate an oil is by the performance specs it meets. The oil in discussion here, M1 AFE, is the only 0w20 I know of claimed by its maker to pass the Ford 5w20 specs, which means it passes the TEOST 33C requirements that are not required of 0w20 oils in general. Dexos, and ACEA A1/B1 are also specs that add to the confidence that the oil performs well. |
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Good stuff, gpshumway. I appreciate your passion about motor oil. WRX/BRZ. The boxer engines give everyone a chance to get serious about the motor oil situation. Having been banned by from bitog by Granny in the Ozarks, I treasure the priviledge to talk about motor oil here.
I used Sustina 0W20 for 60k hard miles and conducted plenty of used oil analysis. Rest assured, I don't judge oil by it's color, smell, taste, or marketing. There are lots of pretty bottles out there. Sustina shows a little initial shearing. Then it really stabilizes. There was some oxidative thickening between 17-19k miles. The flash point was at threshhold at 20k miles. The TBN/ TAN ratio was not alarming. Wear numbers looked very good. I enjoyed noticeably improved performance over all other oils, including TGMO, which is slightly thicker. My basis for claiming that Sustina runs clean is this: I immediately followed up my 60k mile run on Sustina with a fill of Pennzoil Ultra SN 5W30. This oil is GTL and has a boat load of calcium. It appeared pristine for 12k miles, indicating there was nothing to clean. I am fascinated about motor oil. As a mere consumer who happens to drive 100k miles a year, I enjoy to share and listen. The truth about motor oil, latest advances in motor oil, these are things I can't get enough of. |
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I have always been a Mobil-1 fan and currently have it in my BRZ. But reading a lot about the new Pennzoil Ultra Plat (the one made from natural gas). It claims to be better than Mobil-1 and that it has a Noack of 12.5.
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I have a boosted BRZ with E85, stock block, close to 500 whp, hard driven on the street (highway pulls since there are ZERO canyons in Miami...), non daily driver, would change oil for a track day to something more robust. I have no Cats, so if one of them will save the engine but kill cats.. no fawks given... So far I've only used Motul 0w-30 Xlite and Eco energy 5w-30. I had a misfortune the last couple of weeks where a oil line popped off a few times and thus spent a ridiculous amount of money on oil just to pour it on the ground... I really REALLY want to find an off the shelve oil... Which one of the below oils fit my car better? 5w-30 idea comes out of Subaru recommending 5w-30 for the FA20DIT. Mobil 1 regular 5w-30 SAE Grade 5W-30 Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445) @ 100ºC 11.0 @ 40ºC 61.7 Viscosity Index 172 Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.8 HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.1 Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -42 Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 230 Density @15.6 ºC, g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.855 Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w-30 SAE Grade 5W-30 Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445) @ 100ºC 11.7 @ 40ºC 69.2 Viscosity Index 165 HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.3 Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -39 Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 230 Density @15.6 ºC g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.856 Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w-30 Viscosity @ 100ºC 10.6 @ 40ºC 59.8 Viscosity Index 169 Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.8 HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.0 Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -40 Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 230 Density @15.6 ºC g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.851 Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 SAE Grade 5W-30 Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445) @ 100ºC 12.1 @ 40ºC 72.8 Viscosity Index 164 Sulphated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.6 HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.58 Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -45 Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 254 Density @15.6 ºC g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.850
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Sorry in advance but Im a complete newb here. Would this be good for a stock car (or even with just bolt-ons)?
http://www.mobil.ca/Canada-English-L...000-0w20.aspx# Mobil Super 3000 0W-20 Gravity, API 35.4 Specific Gravity 0.848 Pour Point, °C (°F ) -42 (-44) Flash Point, °C (°F), ASTM D 92 238 (460) Viscosity cSt at 40°C 44.9 Viscosity cSt at 100°C 8.6 CCS, cP 5670@-35°C MRV, cP 26,800@-40°C Viscosity Index 173 Resource Conserving Yes Outside air temps here in the summer range from 10C - 40C (50F-110F) and Winters Down to -30C (-22F).. Car is mostly a DD with the occasional auto x in the summer(Maybe twice a month) and some spirited driving in between. Thanks in advance and sorry if this horse has been beaten to death. Dan
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