Losing control

[mattbookpro]

Stock tires != snow tires


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[WhiteRose]

I live in socal...what is snow tires? *huehuehuehue*

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[wheelhaus]

Any tire has a limit of traction, and varying levels in different conditions. Stock tires are summers, but high efficiency, so their grip level is rather low. Even lower in the rain. Even exceptionally lower in the snow...

Drive for the conditions within the limits of the equipment you're using. If the conditions are not within the envelope of the equipment, change the equipment or don't drive...

If the car suddenly lost control, it's honestly driver error pushing the car beyond the equipment limit or pushing beyond their own skill limit. The nannies are extremely effective at keeping the car pointed straight, unless the driver is trying to muck it up.

Remember we are all on public roads, not closed courses. Please keep it safe out there!

[neutral]

In 2 years, I've only involuntarily lost control once. Hit black ice through a turn, before I realized what was happening, the TC put me back on course. Not sure what would have happened if it had been off. My reflexes were definitely not as fast as the car's computer

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by neutral

In 2 years, I've only involuntarily lost control once. Hit black ice through a turn, before I realized what was happening, the TC put me back on course. Not sure what would have happened if it had been off. My reflexes were definitely not as fast as the car's computer

You actually reminded me, there was ONE time I "lost control". Turning left from a stop under a bridge after the ice storm we had in January. Noticed ice under the bridge before I made the turn. Attempted to ease over it, tc kicked on and I made it safely. (Does that count as "losing control"? I didn't intentionally make the tires spin so I guess it does lol)

[Frozen_skidmark]

Pretty much one of the first things I do when i get a new car or new tires etc. is go find a big empty parking lot lot and test the limits of the car. With Nannies on and off. I'm not a big fan of surprises!
It is tail happy, but very forgiving, a little counter steer and it snaps right out of it. You could drift donuts all day if you have a relative that sells tires.

[Dusty]

Drove 15 miles in this snow from work to home without an incident. Then I got stuck trying to turn the car around in my driveway. As stated above, the car is very forgiving even in low traction situations. At normal speeds the front tires always take you in the direction you are pointed. I plowed snow with the front bumper for a mile.



Just be careful with high speed. The ease of driving this car, or any car, can be cancelled out by inertia.

[TJ3000]

"If you ain't ought of control you ain't in control!" - Bow Wow

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by Frozen_skidmark

Pretty much one of the first things I do when i get a new car or new tires etc. is go find a big empty parking lot lot and test the limits of the car. With Nannies on and off. I'm not a big fan of surprises!

This is what everybody should do. Learn to feel your car, how it responds, and how to control it. I've been doing this with every car I've owned, and I keep doing it. It's great fun, and it ensures I'm never surprised by the car on public roads.

[Derickie]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

This is what everybody should do. Learn to feel your car, how it responds, and how to control it. I've been doing this with every car I've owned, and I keep doing it. It's great fun, and it ensures I'm never surprised by the car on public roads.

Problem is there aren't enough parking space for cars in Hong Kong, let alone a big empty parking lot.

[Akari]

Lost control? -Never.

Lost traction? -Plenty of times!

My traction and stability control both default to off now so that I am in control of the car, not the VSC and TC systems. It's not a difficult car to control at all, especially after you've spent some time building up to, and finding the limit on a skidpad and track.

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by Derickie

Problem is there aren't enough parking space for cars in Hong Kong, let alone a big empty parking lot.

Right... I see the problem. How about track day, then? Any racing tracks that'll let you throw your car around a bit?

As a side note, I personally felt that the stock Primacy tyres didn't have enough traction for my taste and driving style, particularly in the wet.
So I'm currently running on Pilot Super Sport 225/45R17. Those have a LOT more traction.

[ftc~brz]

Originally Posted by Mad1723

Summer tires on snowy roads: Big no-no. You want a crashed car? That's how you get a crashed car.

this x2

[Derickie]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

Right... I see the problem. How about track day, then? Any racing tracks that'll let you throw your car around a bit?

As a side note, I personally felt that the stock Primacy tyres didn't have enough traction for my taste and driving style, particularly in the wet.
So I'm currently running on Pilot Super Sport 225/45R17. Those have a LOT more traction.

No track in Hk either, unless we pay a lofty price (really high price), transport car by ship to another country 1 hr away, apply for license because road-driving is forbidden and you only get to drive in the track for an hour or so.

Those Primacy tyres seriously lack traction, I can hear them rubbing against the floor badly while turning up-slope. The car is lots of fun when driven in "more open" space. But in places like Hong Kong where everything is shit cramped, I always feel it's gonna fishtail out and hit something sooner or later.