IM TORN....

[sluflyer06]

Originally Posted by RojerLockless

Shrug it's the same car. Why pay more?

Except its not. While none of them are mechanical game changers the differences are there and some are significant to some but clearly there are a number of differnences in both styling and features.

I'd never have gone without HID, the LED DRL is sexy, the red accents in the FRS are a big no go (to me), I'm also a fan of auto climate having had it in ever car since '03 except my '06 wrx.

[P86RAVES]

I have an FRS Series 10, get the BRZ.

The interior will make a difference over time. The leather corners and seat belt strap of the BRZ are less likely to wear as fast over time as the cloth ones of the FRS. That and they're easier to clean and look better. Win.

The conservative front end of the BRZ vs the aggressive one on the FRS. Think 99 Civic Si and 2000 Celica GTS. The Civic look boring compared to the Celica at the time, but now the Celica looks childish in comparison to the Civic. The BRZ front end will age better with time and with you.

I haven't driven a BRZ, but from what many people say in driving the two back-to-back, the BRZ handles more neutral and is more compliant. The FRS is very neutral to me, but if people are saying the BRZ is more so, maybe that's saying something. From what @Vishnu said, the 2015 is even better.

I'd check your google ratings to see how the dealerships stack up. This is going to play out big time for the after-sale relationship. Before the sale all dealers want to be your best friend, afterwards some treat you like family and some treat you like a number. If Toyota is better, go with them... the same vice-versa.

The color of the car is something you have to live with. If that Subaru White really catches your eye, go with that. If you don't, whenever you see one driving you may catch a case of the IShouldHaves.

Keep in mind an exhaust doesn't do much for these cars. It does increase the noise output but the performance gain is negligible. Giving up the car you really want by rationalizing you'd be able to modify the car you only kinda want quicker is logical, but it may be short sighted.


TL;DR Get the car you really want, not the one you settle for.

[rawrmatty]

Go for a monogram they are worth it I just purchased one this last Sunday. A little more extras then the BRZ limited and the front bumper looks mean =]

[DaJo]

Originally Posted by rawrmatty

Go for a monogram they are worth it I just purchased one this last Sunday. A little more extras then the BRZ limited and the front bumper looks mean =]

Congrats with your Monogram; aside from the rear seat leather arm rest and the leather knee pads, please explain how the Monogram has "alittle more extras over the BRZ". BRZ limited still have things over the Monogram; courtesy lights, sun visor lights, trunk liner, leather red-stitched e-brake + boot... etc. Not trying to say BRZ is better but there still are things the Limited has over the Monogram. Please do not mislead our members with false information.

[CAMBAM_6]

[QUOTE=P86RAVES;1859869]I have an FRS Series 10, get the BRZ.

The interior will make a difference over time. The leather corners and seat belt strap of the BRZ are less likely to wear as fast over time as the cloth ones of the FRS. That and they're easier to clean and look better. Win.

The conservative front end of the BRZ vs the aggressive one on the FRS. Think 99 Civic Si and 2000 Celica GTS. The Civic look boring compared to the Celica at the time, but now the Celica looks childish in comparison to the Civic. The BRZ front end will age better with time and with you.
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I'd have to disagree with a couple things here. First of all that ugly A$$ celica was ugly from day one, 2000 civic si looks way better in all aspects. I don't think our aggressive front bumper will age any less or more then the BRZ you either like it or you don't. (To me its like the old Levin and Treuno slight differences both still very popular to this day)

Also Leather does not last longer automatically then cloth, especially depends on where you live..Leather expands and compresses with temperature and heat can definately reduce the life of leather. I have seen some rips and fading/wrinkles on cars less then 10 years old in san diego with leather seats. As to wear a 20 y/o civic would have perfect cloth besides a cigarette burn (that was my 1991 honda crx lol)

Leather is easier to clean though and doesnt absorb stench like cloth can

[rawrmatty]

Originally Posted by DaJo

Congrats with your Monogram; aside from the rear seat leather arm rest and the leather knee pads, please explain how the Monogram has "alittle more extras over the BRZ". BRZ limited still have things over the Monogram; courtesy lights, sun visor lights, trunk liner, leather red-stitched e-brake + boot... etc. Not trying to say BRZ is better but there still are things the Limited has over the Monogram. Please do not mislead our members with false information.

yeah that's my bad!

they are pretty equal when it comes down to it. I say find out which color you want and find a dealer that has it and go for it!

Both cars are just as equally beautiful as the other.

I guess I am just so happy still about my new baby ! lol

[D88]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

TL;DR Get the car you really want, not the one you settle for.

I'm guessing a lot of us wouldn't be driving an FR-S/BRZ if we didn't settle and bought what we really wanted.

[AVodka14]

Whiteout and Satin White Pearl are same colors. All Suby paint jobs across the board.

I got my FRS when it first came out. I got a 1k new grad discount plus an employee discount through my brother (engineer at Georgetown plant in KY). If you can get a 2k cash incentive plus 1k grad discount equaling 3k discount. That's what I got and you can not beat that!

Now, I definitely would have gotten a Monogram if discounts were not available. Saving money was important at that time. I like the HIDs, Dual Climate Control, auto start, etc. Not necessities. Wish the Monogram was out then!

[hypercarfanatic]

Originally Posted by FRSHunter

Get the 2016 Monogram FRS with Twin sequential Turbo. Comes with JDM T Shirt gun turret. My friend's aunty's cousin who bought a Prius from the Toyota dealer told me about this.

Ah...if only this was true. I mean, at LEAST release a 2015 Monogram. And 2016 was going to be a sedan I thought?

[Rocket.BRZ]

Originally Posted by RojerLockless

Shrug it's the same car. Why pay more?

Because, WRB.

[m.wood0213]

Originally Posted by Rocket.BRZ

Because, WRB.

This.

[FloridaFRSdriver]

Originally Posted by JARE_ee

haha

hey guys, i am torn between gettinga 2014 FR-S or 2015 BRZ.


I already made a down-payment (refundable) on the 2015 brz, however i noticed that the 2014 FR-S are on mad sale.

+2000 dollar cash incentive (which i plan to do anyways) + 1000 grad rebate (vs. brz 750)


Plus, fr-s is already slightly cheaper.


As it is now, i could get the 18' TRD wheels + Exhaust system, and still be cheaper than the BRZ!


As of now, the ETA of my 2015 BRZ is in september, so aanother bonus is no more waiting!


However,

the cons are: no subie , no push start + hid+led +keyless entry + leather seats + heated seats + auto climate + heated mirrors + crystal white pearl


Is it worth the trade off? and What would you do!

Get the FRS and save the money. Trust me, you can do without (and won't' miss) the push start, keyless entry, heated seats, auto-climate, heated mirros, HIDs and all the other fancy add ons. I had all of those and more (plus 425hp and sub-5 second 0-60 times) on my last car, and I don't miss them one bit. If this is your first new car and you've never had those things, I can see the appeal... but it really only adds up to more $$ not more fun or more driving experience. And that's why you're buying this car right? If its for 0-60 times and/or "upscale" equipment, then there are better choices. If its for pure driving experience, nothing can beat this car at $25K (new).

FYI, I had the same choice and got the FRS with very little options (I think spoiler, mud guard, whiteout and trunk mat were it) so I was good to go at $24,500. I could not see spending $27-$30K on a BRZ with the extras. Just not worth it. (Plus I just don't care for the BRZ front end styling).

My advice: get FRS cheap as possible, pay it off early, and put the savings into light-weight wheels, real performance tires and upgraded suspension (Hotchkis TVS1 or equivalent)... the upgraded handling will shock you and you'll forget about the extras.

[frsvr4]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

I have an FRS Series 10, get the BRZ.

The interior will make a difference over time. The leather corners and seat belt strap of the BRZ are less likely to wear as fast over time as the cloth ones of the FRS. That and they're easier to clean and look better. Win.

Agreed, and I wish my FRS had the push button start and digital climate control.

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

The conservative front end of the BRZ vs the aggressive one on the FRS. Think 99 Civic Si and 2000 Celica GTS. The Civic look boring compared to the Celica at the time, but now the Celica looks childish in comparison to the Civic. The BRZ front end will age better with time and with you.

The Civic was always boring and the Celica was always ugly but far from boring. Similar to any year Tiburon.

The BRZ front bumper is exactly why I have an FRS and in the last 2 years, I've grown to dislike the BRZ's mustache more, not less. I considered swapping bumpers onto a BRZ, but didn't think the interior upgrades were worth the trouble.

Given how few people successfully reinstall front bumpers on these cars, I'm very happy to leave mine in place. Hell, I'll use a stage 1 innovate SC and forester oil cooler to quench my urge for more power and delay bumper removal as long as possible. I'm hoping that makes it a high 13 second car with drag radials

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

The color of the car is something you have to live with. If that Subaru White really catches your eye, go with that. If you don't, whenever you see one driving you may catch a case of the IShouldHaves.

I didn't want 2 cars in the garage with various shades of pearl white on them I thought I was going to have IShouldHaves about the ultra marine though...

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

Keep in mind an exhaust doesn't do much for these cars. It does increase the noise output but the performance gain is negligible. Giving up the car you really want by rationalizing you'd be able to modify the car you only kinda want quicker is logical, but it may be short sighted.

Couldn't agree more about minimizing exhaust modifications! My other car has a 4" exhaust and it wakes up the neighborhood. It's just not as functional as something you can sneak around in

[OICU812]

Always the comparisons of what you get stock off lot. Guess I don't get that argument as all of what gets compared is all easily obtainable and is not exactly a fortune or hard to do. It's a tuners car mod it to way you want it to be? Guess there are those that will leave it 100% stock I just think that crowd is a minority? I certainly could be wrong but I like my interior now much more then any BRZ I've been in but ya I put some work and coin into it, no regrets.