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I don't get the hate for this engine at all compared to any other 2.0L engine. They are all torqueless wonders but this engine is more special to me than a typical V or Inline engine that is the norm.
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No, nor did I say it was
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I am attacking false logic, personal attacks and strawmans. I never told you that you cannot be inspired by the FA20, I just stated a dissenting opinion. Maybe you're projecting? It seems like you're being defensive very defensive and perhaps you're very fond of this engine but I didn't say you couldn't be.
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Not a fan nor hater of this engine. It works for what I need and that is all I care about.
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In many cars the delta in performance between the two is very small but in others it's huge (like your RSX, and all FWD cars for that matter). I did like the D, B and F engines.
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That's fucking stupid. For one of us to say so doesn't mean that person loves this engine or worships its designers. All it means is that we recognized bullshit and called it such. I was one of the first to call bullshit, but I have no real love for this engine or boxers in general. I simply appreciate what it adds to the car and recognize that it was a good choice to achieve the balance the designers wanted. The idiot OP didn't want a discussion. He was either trolling or hoping for people who agreed with him to chime in and trash a design it's pretty obvious he doesn't understand. If he wanted a civilized discussion about the engine, he wouldn't have started with the language he used to describe it. Apparently if you don't dislike the engine, you automatically have to think it's the best fucking engine ever made. |
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The grass is always greener elsewhere...
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You can still like a engine while having issues with it. I wish the FA20 was a FA25 but I still like the engine as is. I give it a 7.5/10. With the torque dip flattened it's a 8.5/10 motor for me. And if the engine made an extra 25-35 more torque on top of the flattened torque curve it would be my favorite 4 banger. Basically the only real negative is torque for me. 200 hp is fine enough.
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NOHOME has an interesting style, starting a heated debate by stating a negative opinion about one or certain aspects of this vehicle.
I agree with him that I wish there weren't certain tradeoffs with this design. The main one being the relative difficulty accessing the spark plugs. However I own 2 cars with this engine and I like a lot of things about it. In my WRX it has gobs of torque really low down. But is isn't a screamer high up. In the FR-S it has less torque lower but you can rev it up high like my Integras did. I like that it is a high compression engine (not sure why, LOL). I like the lowered centre of gravity. I am sure it helps quite a bit in the WRX but Ive never driven something fairly similar like an EVOLUTION to compare and I am thinking they counter this with stiffer suspension. I also like the fact that partly due to the COG the FR-S has virtually zero roll with stock, reasonably compliant suspension. Now, with the HKS blower installed, the car maintains the same character, not a V8 Mustang down low and once going rushes to the redline with far more urgency. But due to gearing and other factors its only much faster from maybe 40 km/h up. I like the unique look of the engine, but is not as pretty if you remove the FA20 plastic cover. Thats one cheap looking intake manifold but I'm sure it does the trick and they really needed to control the BOM (bill of manufacturing). Yeah I wish the car was as solid as a 70's era Mercedes but lets be realistic. Its a nice car for the money as a sports car which is really a unicorn under a certain price point nowadays. If you wish to put a few more bucks into it for sure it is a much better car. If you need to put in too much extra just buy a stock Porsche, it will hold its resale far better. It is what it is. Love it, hate it, anything but indifferent on this forum. BTW I am guessing the reason it isn't an FA25 is just the times. Fuel economy across the fleet matters AKA CAFE. Thanks NOHOME for getting us talking. Next up, he tells us why he hates chocolate and pizza but he ca't put his finger on why.
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This was quite the interesting read. Besides the Miata, I've never seen such venom when it comes to discussing power.
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