No Subaru FT-86 for Australia! And currently no Subaru AWD version production plans. - Page 7 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

zigzagz94 · 10-26-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

Why would Subaru and Toyota sell competing products in the same marketplace?

Why wouldn't they? Mitsubishi and Chrysler did it with DSM cars... same vehicles, same market, different body styles. Some people just liked the looks of one version over the other and it allowed the companies to sell more units of a single platform instead of wasting money making 2 different cars in the same niche.

Some people are just badge snobs and would rather pay more for a subaru badge over, heaven forbid, a Scion or even Toyota.

NeXuS-GT · 10-26-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

Why would Subaru and Toyota sell competing products in the same marketplace?

Toyota Matrix / Pontiac Vibe

Jordo! · 10-26-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NeXuS-GT

Toyota Matrix / Pontiac Vibe

Yep, and many more.

Anyone hoping for an AWD variant probably shouldn't hold their breath... sorry... don't shoot the messenger

White Comet · 10-27-2009, 12:06 AM

Guys, it's a new marketplace and a weak global economy. Badge engineering, especially in the face of the recent GM and Chrysler bankruptcies, does not make sense.

Toyota trying to revamp its image, and then allow another brand to sell the same car, also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially if the beancounters at Toyota only count the sales of the Toyota product itself (And that's exactly what they'll do), so if the car does not sell well enough in Toyota form, many in the company who are only about safe, eco-friendly cars will use that as an excuse to shut the product down.

I agree that it could still happen, I just think it would be counterproductive to Toyota's plan.

micmic · 10-27-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

huh? the guy in the article plainly said NO ONE IS BUILDING AN ALL-WHEEL DRIVE VERSION, that's why they're not gonna bring it to australia. why would that make it sound like they're making an AWD version when they just said they aren't?

Yeah, and when the main project manager for the bug-eyed WRX toured select Subaru dealers in North America in 2001 (prior to the WRX release) the answer to the WRX STI coming to the US question was a "definitely not." By 2004, the STI hit our dealers...

ichitaka05 · 10-27-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by micmic

Yeah, and when the main project manager for the bug-eyed WRX toured select Subaru dealers in North America in 2001 (prior to the WRX release) the answer to the WRX STI coming to the US question was a "definitely not." By 2004, the STI hit our dealers...

That's why they don't have Turbo ver Impreza (coupe) in US

micmic · 10-27-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

That's why they don't have Turbo ver Impreza (coupe) in US

Duh!

Yeah, I know... I owned an 01 GC8 RS. (the last of the two doors...) But you missed the point.

In 2001, Subaru project management for the WRX came to the US and told us to our faces that the WRX STI would "definitely not" come to the US.

...Stay with me now...

In 2004, the WRX STI was sold in the states...

Point is, they'll say one thing and do another... and they won't say anything until it is official. It is too early to say they will or won't...

And, yes they can move the motor forward for AWD, and yes, the weight distribution will not be as good, but it will be AWD.

Look at it like this:
The Honda Ridgeline is a "truck" (and I use that term loosely) based on the Pilot platform...
The Pilot is based off of the Oddessy platform.
The Oddessy is actually based off of the NA Accord.
If Honda can base so many vehicles off of a common platform, Toyota/
Subaru can change the location of the motor.

OldSkoolToys · 10-27-2009, 01:36 AM

wow, this is getting as old as dirt, really fast.

I really wish they'd come out with a statement going one way or the other, just to finally kill this topic.

cyde01 · 10-27-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

wow, this is getting as old as dirt, really fast.

I really wish they'd come out with a statement going one way or the other, just to finally kill this topic.

unfortunately, this is a car forum about a car that has yet to be released with very few details available. thus, by necessity, most of the topics are gonna be about speculation..

OldSkoolToys · 10-27-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

unfortunately, this is a car forum about a car that has yet to be released with very few details available. thus, by necessity, most of the topics are gonna be about speculation..

Its not about that at all.

Its the fact that the same thing keeps coming up and the same facts keep getting pointed out, and then the same counter-facts keep getting re-brought up.

I'll state my logic one more time, based on common deduction.

A subaru executive, years before the cars release, has already stated, on an official record, that the subaru version will not come to Australia because it won't be AWD.

years before production
years before production

What this tells me is that theres little/no hope that an AWD variant will be produced, for the premiere model (and possibly a few years after), otherwise the executive wouldn't already be saying such bold statements to the public.

End of story.

FormulaJDM · 10-27-2009, 11:28 AM

Check this out. Are you sure about no AWD?

http://www.7tune.com/confirmed-bigge...r-subaru-216a/

Shevon · 10-27-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FormulaJDM

Check this out. Are you sure about no AWD?

http://www.7tune.com/confirmed-bigge...r-subaru-216a/

honestly i just rather the turbo they can keep the AWD system besides the FT86 looks more modern and aggressive imo, especially the rear...way better looking

FT-86 FTMFW!!!
check and compare...

White Comet · 10-27-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boxer3main

I owned a last 2wd in the 3 main engine group, it may have been the fastest ever .. (stop the giggles morons)

subaru keeps awd because their afraid of real engines. I am never rescinding this thought, to this day...30 years later..

toyotas rwd is going to sell big. I hope another company dives in to the rwd boxer, it will need competition.
This angers me over subarus. It is a monopoly, they know it like a microsoft programmer..who cares about the majorities quest. they will do it their way all the way to a collapse in the land of billion dollar make believe.

If the toyota RWD weren't so stereotypically riced, I'd go for broke...and it is STILL going to sell sell sell...

Um.... what?!

Jordo! · 10-27-2009, 02:03 PM

Huh. Go figure... the powers that be at Toyota and Subaru must be listening...

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10-27-2009, 12:06 AM	#88
White Comet Resident Skeptic Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: '04 WRX Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 359 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Guys, it's a new marketplace and a weak global economy. Badge engineering, especially in the face of the recent GM and Chrysler bankruptcies, does not make sense. Toyota trying to revamp its image, and then allow another brand to sell the same car, also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially if the beancounters at Toyota only count the sales of the Toyota product itself (And that's exactly what they'll do), so if the car does not sell well enough in Toyota form, many in the company who are only about safe, eco-friendly cars will use that as an excuse to shut the product down. I agree that it could still happen, I just think it would be counterproductive to Toyota's plan.

10-27-2009, 11:28 AM	#95
FormulaJDM Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 98 ITR Location: Zona Posts: 41 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Check this out. Are you sure about no AWD? http://www.7tune.com/confirmed-bigge...r-subaru-216a/

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Jordo! Enjoy it, destroy it. Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Datsun Racing Hen Location: Blank Generation Posts: 820 Thanks: 6 Thanked 61 Times in 48 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Huh. Go figure... the powers that be at Toyota and Subaru must be listening...

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