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12-06-2013, 03:12 PM | #57 |
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Because there is no technical service bulletin (TSB) that service techs can reference to get the latest calibration file. In order for them to install it, they need a TSB to reference. Stupid, but it is what it is. Hopefully Toyota/Subaru will create a TSB and folks that have a build date prior to Jan 2013 can get the latest ECU file. Otherwise you would have to pay for it yourself via a tune.
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I love the D4S sucks comment especially since Subaru made a DI engine before and it sucked balls so they scrapped it. Part of the deal with the twins was that they could learn how Toyota does DI and improve their own system.
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I want the engine in the 2002 chevy tahoe to fit in the FRS..... WHAT A DREAM
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Does it really need fixing? Maybe the issue is the driver and not the car? I've driven plenty of track time in my own car to know that I love it, and find that it's a great vehicle to use to help the driver get better instead of relying on gobs of power to overcome the drivers poor habits.
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5% failure rate would be way outside what is acceptable. Try .5% for any mainstream Japanese manufacturers. The reason the cars they make are so bland is they make stuff right and are very slow to change. |
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12-06-2013, 09:11 PM | #65 |
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I know this is totally off topic but I think we all agree this thread has been jacked anyway. Subaru and Toyota know that most of the potential buyers of this car have done so already, so they have no economic reason to release a better performing car within the next ~3 years… They know that most of us can't just sell the car and upgrade to the faster version every time, so they purposely wait a couple years (product cycles). Its very rare that major performance upgrades are added to a car while its still in cycle because then it just decreases the marketability of the next generation… IMHO don't expect anything FI for this model until the next generation comes out, the best we'll see from this generation is minor cosmetic upgrades… just put yourselves in the accountants shoes and then answer your questions…
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I don't consider the FRZ re-engineered. The Chassis is ground floor from scratch for all but a few small things (which here will always be). Paying for that capital and R&D is why you get much less "car" for the same money as the WRX. Its why the FRZ is so expensive for is #'s. Many of us bought the FRZ for the ground up sports oriented chassis. As been said many times in a decade there will be several options for more power (including a FA20DIT variant)but you can never upgrade the chassis. Especially with this thing selling over 40k units a year just in the US there will be many less expensive upgrades. Next year we will probably be able to buy an innvoate with romraider tune for under $3k. The more of these they sell the less expensive the power upgrades will become due to volume. I think this was part of Tada's plan.
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None of this is to say that it wasnt purpose built, its obvious that the implementation of all the parts was very specific and the successful outcome reflects that. Trying to price compete with a brands 20 year old halo staple is just an unrealistic goal. The wrx/sti is consistently one of the best bang for your buck models on the road... depending on what you consider 'bang.' |
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