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Old 05-12-2020, 09:00 PM   #15
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you know they are going to boost it and explode the engine
Specifically they will supercharge it. Which kit will they use...
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Specifically they will supercharge it. Which kit will they use...

Orrrrrrrr TurboYoda’s Coyoda turbo kit...
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Old 05-13-2020, 12:45 AM   #17
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LOL

I love this show

These guys are funny, and say what they think, which is refreshing.

And yes, these things sound shit when stock and as slow as a glacier getting up to speed.

Tuned they are better

Turboed, they are awesomeballs
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Orrrrrrrr TurboYoda’s Coyoda turbo kit...
Yeah, I can see a turbo

There's plenty of crashed turbo twins at the local wreckers and auctions

That's were my 17 went after backing it onto a wall at speed

LOL

I bet a bag of donuts the Super turbo wins a drag race

I'll pay up when they open WSID to the gen-pop after the apocalypse
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I bet a bag of donuts the Super turbo wins a drag race

The March Super Turbo does 7.7s and 15.5s in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. The BRZ does 6.3s and 14.9s. Top speed is 112 vs 143 mph.

They would have to cheat.
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I like how mine sounds stock......
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The March Super Turbo does 7.7s and 15.5s in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. The BRZ does 6.3s and 14.9s. Top speed is 112 vs 143 mph.

They would have to cheat.
1/8 mile maybe

The twins are as slow as a snail to get going

We shall see

Either way, if your not their to claim your prize, the donuts will go in my belly
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Specifically they will supercharge it. Which kit will they use...
Harrop is local to them, that makes the most sense to me if they went S/C
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I feel like this topic has been hashed to death. No doubt the Twins are "slow" cars stock, but there are plenty of other slow cars I'd happily drive and/or track. Miata, RX-8, S2000, Integra Type-R, RSX-S, 987.1 Cayman, 986 Boxster...they all run 14 or 15 second 1/4 miles and guess what else... they are all sub-3000 lbs and great to drive.

I've had the chance to track a few 400-500whp cars and sure it's fun powering out of corners and accelerating down the straight, but it's equally fun to me chucking a lightweight car into corners or carving up back roads in a small chassis.

Who knows maybe this is their grand epiphany in the final episode (or not), but regardless there's such a misplaced emphasis on horsepower and 60/quarter mile times these days you'd think the only fun you could have in a car is flooring it in a straight line.
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I feel like this topic has been hashed to death. No doubt the Twins are "slow" cars stock, but there are plenty of other slow cars I'd happily drive and/or track. Miata, RX-8, S2000, Integra Type-R, RSX-S, 987.1 Cayman, 986 Boxster...they all run 14 or 15 second 1/4 miles and guess what else... they are all sub-3000 lbs and great to drive.

I've had the chance to track a few 400-500whp cars and sure it's fun powering out of corners and accelerating down the straight, but it's equally fun to me chucking a lightweight car into corners or carving up back roads in a small chassis.

Who knows maybe this is their grand epiphany in the final episode (or not), but regardless there's such a misplaced emphasis on horsepower and 60/quarter mile times these days you'd think the only fun you could have in a car is flooring it in a straight line.
This is where I get confused, more power is always better, whilst a car can handle well around a corner there are alot of straight sections In between them, you need to get to the corner quicker than everyone else.

Unless you are in a one make series or racing against yourself, constantly being passed on the straight bits gets tiresome.

This is why a little turbo and around 250 - 300hp in one is awesomeballs, and stock cars are moving traffic cones that get in the way.

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This is where I get confused, more power is always better, whilst a car can handle well around a corner there are alot of straight sections In between them, you need to get to the corner quicker than everyone else.

Unless you are in a one make series or racing against yourself, constantly being passed on the straight bits gets tiresome.

This is why a little turbo and around 250 - 300hp in one is awesomeballs, and stock cars are moving traffic cones that get in the way.

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Yeah on a track 100 percent agree you can never have too much power.

The problem is at the price point we're discussing, you have to sacrifice weight and size to get power. Under $30k (or even $60k) there are no sub-3000 lbs cars with 300+ hp. You have to step up to something like a cayman/boxster s to get there, and those are $60k+ cars.

My issue is the video made it seem like "slow cars" can't be fun, and I would absolutely disagree. I actually think some of the slow cars I listed are among the most fun I've driven, not because they lacked power but in spite of it.
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I feel like this topic has been hashed to death. No doubt the Twins are "slow" cars stock, but there are plenty of other slow cars I'd happily drive and/or track. Miata, RX-8, S2000, Integra Type-R, RSX-S, 987.1 Cayman, 986 Boxster...they all run 14 or 15 second 1/4 miles and guess what else... they are all sub-3000 lbs and great to drive.

I've had the chance to track a few 400-500whp cars and sure it's fun powering out of corners and accelerating down the straight, but it's equally fun to me chucking a lightweight car into corners or carving up back roads in a small chassis.

Who knows maybe this is their grand epiphany in the final episode (or not), but regardless there's such a misplaced emphasis on horsepower and 60/quarter mile times these days you'd think the only fun you could have in a car is flooring it in a straight line.
Yeah agree. Also the S15 that they talk about in the video, stock to stock has about the same straight line performance as a twin. You can probably get more power out of an S15 tuning it being a turbo though. If the 86/BRZ was around in the late 90’s early 2000s it would’ve been a direct competitor to an S15 and considered “quickish”. But nowadays with so much power in hot hatches and the like it’s considered slow. It’s definitely quick enough for the street and backroads etc. and yeah tired of defending their straight line performance too. If you don’t like it, don’t buy the f*cking car and complain about it.
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Old 05-14-2020, 03:10 AM   #27
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They were exaggerating. They purposely stayed in the torque dip when they did their on street pulls. The only revved it to 7000 twice, and never actually went to redline. Not once did they downshift up to ~5000RPM to do a pull.
I love when popular Youtubers do this kinda thing with our car.

EverydayDriver did the same thing going uphill in the mountains for one of their videos. Like, you could even see they were in 5th gear going 45-ish mph (give or take) at like 2k rpm or whatever (it was obviously in the torque dip), and I remember asking about it on the channel comments and their producer/editor kept defending them saying they were just trying to show the dip to prove how slow it is. *eyeroll*
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They were spot on. After owning much faster cars and directly stepping in to this it probably does feel quite horrible. The "dip" is definitely noticeable from a rolling 1st or 2nd gear acceleration and there is no way to really "just downshift" like so many people say in those situations.

Great episode of MCM. Hopefully there is some boost coming soon and they skip NA stuff altogether.
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