Subaru/Scion warranty and autocross

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Kamran

I believe the recording is well over 2 seconds. Having only 2 seconds is pretty much meaningless.

Ok, not a couple, several. 10 seconds. So?
Manual says '30 or less'.

Most service dignostics, do the diagnostics as routine. Not aware of any regulations that spells out they need permission to perform their diagnostic when you hand them your car to diagnose.

What's your point?
When you drop off the car for service - check what's in the paper you sign. There might be a permission there. EDRs only permanently store data in the event of airbag deployment. While there is no mandate to record more, it's true that manufacturers could volutarily decide record and temporarily store more data. But they will have to make public the procedure to see what's in the EDR. So it's probably okay to be suspicious until one has personally checked what kind of stuff is there in their own EDR.

I highly doubt that a lot of proprietory non-mandated information is being pulled of EDR by Subaru during routine service visits in order to deny warranty later. It would go one step beyond what Audi is doing, and that's already creating some tensions.

Let's say, there is such a thing as asking for your permission, and let's say you just turned in a major warranty claim for them to fix, and your answer to them asking for your permission was "no".... I imagine I don't need to explain where your warranty claim goes from here...

At this point, I think it's safe to assume that nothing is being stored if there was no airbag deployment, but we should get info on how to read EDR from Subaru just in case.

If you want to be safe - install a lock on your OBD port.
Don't see those on ebay yet - so here's a free business idea - sell OBD port locks to the paranoid for $20. Should have plenty of business.

[sweetfrs]

i was at an autocross event and there was a 2 toyota reps with the frs from the dealer autocrossing them to show everybody how bada*s it really is, and they were wanting me to autocross mine and i was like naw i only got 400 miles on it and they were getting mad cuz i wouldnt run it lol

[DanoFA20]

Originally Posted by miata

I think that's because people do better in autoX with Subaru than with Scion. Scion was just embarrassed to say that they will void the warranty if autoX'd because then people will laugh at them for saying that because Scions get their a$$ kicked by Subarus and Miatas. But with the FRS coming, I am sure Scion will add that clause if they don't have it yet.

? its the same car dude... i beat brz drivers at auto cross

[cerealcable]

Reading this makes me a bit sad, but ultimately we do have to recognize that this is just how business is done these days. The consumers always loose out after some large claim, such as a motor being blown because someone wasn't completely irresponsible and it was absolutely directly related to competitive events / racing.

I just wish there was a stronger consumer protection policy in place for when a car is marketed and more or less encouraged to be tracked or entered into competitive events.

Overall, I'm not too worried about it, but then again you can never be too certain. Not certain how big of a tin foil hat I should put on realistically. Yes you could take the plates off and enter under pseudonyms (not certain the SCCA would allow that or not, anyone know for real? I'd imagine that could become an insurance issue for the SCCA). Ultimately wouldn't the manufacturer have to prove that the failure was directly caused by the event itself?

[Lavalover]

The comment about data recorders preserving only a small time interval is not entirely correct. The number of engine over-revs is recorded permanently--at least in the case of Porsche. This is one of the items that can be examined by a knowledgeable mechanic when performing a pre-purchase inspection of a used Porsche.

[unsurety]

Originally Posted by Lavalover

The comment about data recorders preserving only a small time interval is not entirely correct. The number of engine over-revs is recorded permanently--at least in the case of Porsche. This is one of the items that can be examined by a knowledgeable mechanic when performing a pre-purchase inspection of a used Porsche.

How about Toyota/Subaru?

OFT tune gives you a nice "soft" rev limiter, though a bit higher than stock. On some courses, bumping into it is unavoidable.

[markw]

They can not void your warranty for driving a sports car they sold you as a sports car. Mazda tried this and it cost them some $$$$. Here, read up. http://www.fd3s.net/lemon_site/troubles.htm

[WazzuGrad]

Originally Posted by mattles

I never compete with plates on my car. License plates are for the roads. And as for names, lets just say I typically have some codrivers.

However, I think its somewhat irresponsible to track the car during the initial break in period, prior to the first scheduled maintenance.

I think you're on to something there. Have you had any issues since you've made this post?

[pepelocuas]

If WARRANTY is VOIDED when any modification is performed to the car or taken the car to a track, then buy a SALVAGE TITLE CAR for 1/3 of the price, fix it and when done you will save 50% of MSRP price.
Then do all kind of modifications and when you are done, total cost will be still lower than buying one at the dealer.

[SON1C]

Anyone ever have a warranty issue after autoxing etc and how'd it all turn out

[Sammakko]

Originally Posted by miata

I think that's because people do better in autoX with Subaru than with Scion..

i've beat countless subarus, corvettes, porsches, evos, s2000s, miatas, in a scion..

what are you talking about?

[Sammakko]

Originally Posted by jpdarty7

Technically how would they know if you were at an autocross?

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