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Old 11-14-2019, 12:45 AM   #15
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You have to activate hill assist.


and the one part they left out, emergengy brake needs pulled.

Its weird your button works without a delay.

Before the module switch I couldn't illuminate hill assist light with the techstream, after the abs switch techstream will illuminate it.

The hill assist is fantastic with my touchy clutch.
Some people said they stalled it more with hill assist. The harder you push on the brakes the harder it holds when you take off. If you just apply the minimum force its really smooth, sometimes I don't even notice its working.


I canít remember if my ebrake was pulled when trying to activate it.

My traction control button behaving different is suggesting there is another difference. Maybe itís the cluster? Does the switch wire go directly into the ABS module or does it do through something else?

My car is a 13 BRZ, virtually stock.
Whatís the year of yours? Any other relevant electrical mods besides the cluster?
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Old 11-14-2019, 07:46 AM   #16
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Both switches go directly to the abs, I think the only wires that come out of the abs is can hi and can low.

oops Mine is a 2018 but it should be the same.
"2018 SUBARU BRZ FRS 86 OEM 27536CA050 ABS ANTI LOCK BRAKE PUMP MODULE UNIT"


Interesting. Maybe itís a delay in the cluster showing the light? Can you try short pressing the button and see if it comes on after a few secs?
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After some careful evaluation in a wet empty private parking lot Iíve come to believe this mod does not change the VSC Logic to the 2017 track mode. The limits feel the same as before. The logic change must be in another module.
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:37 PM   #18
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Seems something is not right with yours. Im on A0G1 tune and I have the 2017 cluster. What is the part numbers on the abs module.


The part number on top of the module is 27536ca040. How much coding was involved with the cluster? That might affect things too. Seller on eBay said itís from a 2017 MT. It must be from a 2017+ because otherwise the repin would have caused the wheel sensor and VSC button to not work.

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27536CA020 is this number on it? I think it might be on the aluminum block. I'm kind of leaning towards yours is a 15-16.


Sorry 27536ca040
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That switch kit is clever, I like it! Is the oil temp gauge functional?

My 2013 unit is 27536CA002, the new unit is 27536CA040. Looking at used units on eBay, that puts it in the 2017 range. 2015-2016 units appear to be in the 27536CA020 range, and I found a 2019 that was 27536CA060

For some reason Subaru parts catalogs donít find these part numbers.

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Everything works on the cluster including oil temperature. I think that is the bosch part number.
I think Techstream will show you the software revision.


I might look into doing the cluster then. Any problems with odometer mismatch between the ECU and the cluster?
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No problems but the cluster stores the odometer readings. My car is a 2013 limited mt smart key.


Oh itís only Stored in the cluster? Iím used to cluster swaps being a nightmare on bmws because they have to get coded to each other cause they both record it and then cross reference.
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After some careful evaluation in a wet empty private parking lot Iíve come to believe this mod does not change the VSC Logic to the 2017 track mode. The limits feel the same as before. The logic change must be in another module.
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I think track mode might have more to do with how much throttle gets cut vs how much brake modulating gets done. The VSC module canít decide how much power to cut. It can only report wheel slip over CAN. Throttle modulation is probably done by the ecu somehow.

Iím still puzzled over the difference in VSC sport button behaviors. I canít get hill start to work either. Both our cars are 2013 limited, both with 2017/2018 abs modules, only difference is the cluster. Iíll do the cluster swap to see if that changes the button behavior and the hill start. Iíve always wanted oil temp on the dash anyway. @solidsnake11, do you still have the 2013 traction control buttons?
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Yes, they are the 2013 buttons. From what I can tell they are just regular momentary switches. They are not like the cluster switches which change resistance to use one wire for multiple switches.

I cleared my abs codes before I got hill assist to work but I wasn't using the emergency brake before when I was trying to get hill assist activate.

Okay so itís not the buttons. You already said you only have the ABS module and the Cluster, but I wanted to confirm that.

I never got any abs codes in the first place, probably because i repinned the connector before connecting the module the first time. I tried activating hill start again but my guess is that the cluster actually plays a bigger part than just showing the light. Maybe there are certain CAN signals missing or not passed on when you use the old cluster. Iíll come back with an update after sourcing a 2017 cluster.
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thank you @solidsnake11 .
I installed 2018 BRZ TS abs module(27536CA050) to my 2012 toyota 86 6MT.
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trac mode & hill assist are available now =)

I don't have new cluster or new trac button. I only installed 2017 ABS module.
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Hi,

I've installed a 2017 ABS module from 27536CA030 to 13MY Toyota 86. Now the VSC sport switch should be pressed over 1 second to lit the VSC sport indicator of the cluster. Wow!

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I've installed a 2017 ABS module from 27536CA030 to 13MY Toyota 86. Now the VSC sport switch should be pressed over 1 second to lit the VSC sport indicator of the cluster. Wow!

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So all we've deciphered is that it fits and functions with minor modification to the arrangement of connector pins. There is a definite change in how the VDC sport mode is activated. Button need to be held down a second or more compared to the original ABS module.

That's good and all, but did it effect the way intervenes on wheel slip? Is it functionally the same as the track mode on the 2017+? Or did we just change slightly the way it VDC sport gets turned on but nothing else?
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