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Old 07-24-2020, 03:33 AM   #43
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With a tune, it would gain some power. Zero reliability impact with a good tune.
Even if it's turbocharged ? Does the stock system with cat deleted be efficient enough not to cause any reliability issue as well ?
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Any rattles or creaks in the Supra? The BRZ/86 don't have the highest quality interior so you'll be in for an endless journey trying to track down every noise.


Is the wind buffeting fixed when driving with the windows down on the Supra?
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Even if it's turbocharged ? Does the stock system with cat deleted be efficient enough not to cause any reliability issue as well ?
Responsibly build, with a reasonable amount of power? yes, reliable.
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Any rattles or creaks in the Supra? The BRZ/86 don't have the highest quality interior so you'll be in for an endless journey trying to track down every noise.


Is the wind buffeting fixed when driving with the windows down on the Supra?
Zero noises.

Buffeting is a fact of life.
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Which car does you wife bitch less about while riding shotgun?
This is why I'm not married.
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Buffeting is a fact of life.
Thoughts on the exterior bits intended to fix it?

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/any...ting-fix.5102/
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https://www.supramkv.com/threads/any...ting-fix.5102/
They work for reasonable speeds. On track, the car will still buffet at speed.

For the record, 911's also buffet.
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Is there a way to disable the kickdown switch on the Supra when driving in manual mode?

I really hated that about the older BMWs (E90s). This was fixed in the F30 and G20 and the Z4 has the same logic as the G20. So I was really surprised to hear from tuners that the Supra would kick down in manual mode while trying to do their dynos.
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Not an accurate comparison. The Model Y has a top speed on 135mph with 1 gear.

That would be equivalent to approximately 5th gear in the supra, but lets use 6th for posterity.

My 60-80 time in 5th gear only is ~1.4s, and 6th gear only ~1.65s. I've not tried 50-70.
My BRZs logs show 60-80 at 1.5 but the engine is at 9lbs at 60 (5600rpms) and it doesn't hit the full 23lbs till 70mph(6600rpms).
80mph is only 7500rpms, 1500 shy of the 9000rpm redline.

logs show 60-100mph at 4.081s This is with one casual shift at 7800. Shift was a half second(.500s)

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My BRZs logs show 60-80 at 1.5 but the engine is at 9lbs at 60 (5600rpms) and it doesn't hit the full 23lbs till 70mph(6600rpms).
80mph is only 7500rpms, 1500 shy of the 9000rpm redline.

logs show 60-100mph at 4.081s This is with one casual shift at 7800.
for reference, 60mph in 5th in the supra is about 3100rpm. 80 is ~4000.
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for reference, 60mph in 5th in the supra is about 3100rpm. 80 is ~4000.
Bmw sacrificed spool for power.
I think there going for the electric motor feel.
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Bmw sacrificed spool for power.
I think there going for the electric motor feel.
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying it spools too early and chokes up top?

If that's the case, I agree; they wanted to make a car with the widest powerband possible. The 2020 Supra's engine, real world, has full boost at 1400rpm without lugging the engine. My M3, lugging, would barely have full boost at 2400 rpm.

The supra's torque tapers very early....
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