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Pfizer |
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53 | 51.96% |
Moderna |
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27 | 26.47% |
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6 | 5.88% |
AstraZeneca |
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4 | 3.92% |
Novavax |
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0 | 0% |
Sputnik |
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1 | 0.98% |
Convidecia |
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0 | 0% |
Homebrew with a big dose of something special |
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11 | 10.78% |
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In the 2nd wave we had lots of infected people walking around, many asymptomatic while many vulnerable or elderly people were locked down in longterm care homes. If they did not require help from people from outside or if they were able to screen employees every single day this could have been effective. My father who was elderly and otherwise in OK health caught it from a PCW while he was locked down last Dec in his senior residence. He required assistance showering. Locking seniors down and letting the less vulnerable live without such restriction was a highly flawed approach since there was no way to guarantee the virus wouldn't be brought to the vulnerable by people doing their jobs. It''s frustrating and oppressive on those less vulnerable, of course, but I am guessing a computer simulation of the 3rd wave as conditions exist with no lockdowns would have crippled every hospital to no end, resulting in greater suffering and mortality. In the end we must accept there is no conspiracy, and the authority to decide on restrictions is given to your elected officials who are being advised by their appointed medical advisors. Im sure it's s a lot easier to focus on the social and economic side of things when you or your loved ones haven't experienced catastrophic loss of life.. I've lost lots of income during this pandemic. I know that as long as I am alive and well I will recover. Can't say that for a whole lot of other people though, sadly. Let's just all get vaccinated ASAP.
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I've no issue with being vaccinated voluntarily. Edit: Just saw @Wally86 post, sure looks the same. |
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I think it should be manslaughter if you thumb your nose at precautions and end up infecting someone who dies. Negligent endangerment if you get anyone sick.
Self-centered "I won't die so it's fine" is so far off the mark.
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No idea how you would prove or disprove someone did what you are saying, that's a very big can of worms.
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I don't think the US ever really got it to a good, usable point though.
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Maybe early on, but at this point I doubt any "victim" could prove a single person exposed them to the virus. Even vaccinated persons in theory can be a carrier (not sure that has been fully disproved yet). Then you might have to prove criminal intent on the part of the "perpetrator" or that the carrier didn't have a reason for not getting the vaccine.
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I'm curious what those calling for severe penalties for those infected through no fault of their own will say if investigations prove the research, manufacture and distribution becomes traceable to identifiable individuals and governments and what should the penalties be? My guess is nothing will happen except in the US where the ambulance chasing mesothelioma bottom feeders will create new fertile ground.
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Nobody is saying prosecute everyone who gets it, just those that don't take the required precautions to avoid passing it on. There is precedence for it if you look at STDs and such. Typically easier to prove in those cases. |
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I think we're on different pages. I'm talking about what to do about those who were involved in the financing, design and development of what is apparently a man made lab created virus who then spread it around the globe. Without those conditions, there would've been nothing to pass on. I don't think we should be blaming the victims at all but should be looking at the perps.
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However, like I've suggested in either this thread or one of the countless ones that preceded it, we should observe in the same way that smoking is. Basically segregate people out from those who don't want second-hand smoke. Don't allow smoking in certain areas. Etc. I believe there can be some citations given if people are found to be smoking in a non-smoking area and obviously private businesses can just kick people doing so out. That's the right approach to take. But just like there are smokers who refuse to respect other people's boundaries and wishes, the same will be for people who refuse to vaccinate and then go out and about.
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