Good comparison

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by joe strummer

Along those lines, a small van is even more useful, or at least a car with a real back seat. I doubt too many of us bought an FR-S for its practicality.

The FRS is 100% practical for me. My laptop and I do not need a 4 door, van, SUV, pickup truck or anything else any larger. I chuckle every single time somebody says "but the XXX is more practical" since the definition of what is "practical" can be radically different for every person and their needs.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ahhhh but I don't use imperial gallons but litres (proper spelling by the way)converted to U.S. gallons.

Now, Tcoat, don't try to confuse me with that L/100km stuff ....... nor that weird spelling of that metric unit ....... nor the confusing Canadian dollar vs. the US dollar ........ I didn't fall off a pumpkin wagon and hit my head here in Puyallup ...... I fell off a HAY wagon on my head and it was in OHIO .....


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Now, Tcoat, don't try to confuse me with that L/100km stuff ....... nor that weird spelling of that metric unit ....... nor the confusing Canadian dollar vs. the US dollar ........ I didn't fall off a pumpkin wagon and hit my head here in Puyallup ...... I fell off a HAY wagon on my head and it was in OHIO .....


humfrz

Well you apparently didn't hit your head too hard if you retained enough sense to get the hell out of Ohio! (Sorry @HunterGreene )

[joe strummer]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The FRS is 100% practical for me. I chuckle every single time somebody says "but the XXX is more practical" since the definition of what is "practical" can be radically different for every person and their needs.

I don't know what 100% practical means, and certainly definitions are somewhat different, but if the FR-S is practical for anyone based on their definition, there are cars that are more practical.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by joe strummer

I don't know what 100% practical means, and certainly definitions are somewhat different, but if the FR-S is practical for anyone based on their definition, there are cars that are more practical.

100% practical means exactly that. It meets 100% of my needs all of the time. As far as being "more" practical goes I consider 100% as far as you can go. Just because some others may want it for more uses does not make it more practical for me.

[joe strummer]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

100% practical means exactly that. It meets 100% of my needs all of the time. As far as being "more" practical goes I consider 100% as far as you can go. Just because some others may want it for more uses does not make it more practical for me.

So however practical your car is for you, are you saying there is no car manufactured that is more practical?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by joe strummer

So however practical your car is for you, are you saying there is no car manufactured that is more practical?

In what way would any car be more practical for me? You are missing the point that I am saying that it is my use. I am not for one second saying it is a generally practical car for anybody and everybody.
If I had 12 kids nothing but a full size van would be practical. If I hauled around lumber nothing but a truck would be practical. If I needed mega mileage nothing but a hybrid would be practical. I need none of those things so it is completely practical to me.
I am sure that there are many thousands of people that agree with me. If you buy any vehicle that does not meet your needs then it is impractical but that does not mean the same vehicle is not 100% practical for somebody else.

[joe strummer]

Define practical. Then maybe I'll get the point.

And, could the FR-S be more practical for you?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by joe strummer

Define practical. Then maybe I'll get the point.

And, could the FR-S be more practical for you?

Practical:
adjective
1. of or relating to practice or action
2. consisting of, involving, or resulting from practice or action
3. of, relating to, or concerned with ordinary activities, business, or work
4. adapted or designed for actual use; useful
5. engaged or experienced in actual practice or work
6. inclined toward or fitted for actual work or useful activities
7. mindful of the results, usefulness, advantages or disadvantages, etc., of action or procedure.

I suppose it could have a switch to set it on auto pilot so I could nap during my 2 hour commutes. That would be more practical for me.

[joe strummer]

I'd like you to define practical. None of those help me understand what you are saying.

I'm at a loss how something as complex as a car can be 100% practical. To me, 100% practicality in an automobile, with its ergonomics, myriad of user interactions, and user expectations is an ideal, and unless you can hire Lexus to design and build you a one off vehicle, there are compromises. Lots of them.

One example, if you lock your doors when you drive, it would be more practical if they unlocked when you pull on the door opener. Ours don't. Therefore, not 100% practical.

You might be 100% happy with the car, but it can be more practical, and that practicality is likely found in a different car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by joe strummer

I'd like you to define practical. None of those help me understand what you are saying.

I'm at a loss how something as complex as a car can be 100% practical. To me, 100% practicality in an automobile, with its ergonomics, myriad of user interactions, and user expectations is an ideal, and unless you can hire Lexus to design and build you a one off vehicle, there are compromises. Lots of them.

One example, if you lock your doors when you drive, it would be more practical if they unlocked when you pull on the door opener. Ours don't. Therefore, not 100% practical.

You might be 100% happy with the car, but it can be more practical, and that practicality is likely found in a different car.

OK so at this point I think all we can do is agree to disagree. If you wish to delve to that level then we are exceeding the definition of practical. I would love to have self healing paint, run flat tires, oil that lasts the life of the car, etc. but that does not change the fact that the car, for my use, is " adapted or designed for actual use; useful". Being better does not necessarily make it more practical.

[joe strummer]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

OK so at this point I think all we can do is agree to disagree. If you wish to delve to that level then we are exceeding the definition of practical. I would love to have self healing paint, run flat tires, oil that lasts the life of the car, etc. but that does not change the fact that the car, for my use, is " adapted or designed for actual use; useful". Being better does not necessarily make it more practical.

Cheers, mate.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by joe strummer

Cheers, mate.

And there ladies and gentleman, is how you can debate a point without name calling or mudslinging.

[brandonblt2]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

High MPG is easy on the auto on the freeway. At 65 mph (assuming you're going the speed limit and the highway is level) the engine is at about 2100-2200 RPM, and if you flip to real-time MPG display it'll be in the 40s/50s easy. Hit 70 and above and it definitely drops down to the 30s.



Remember, it's not slower. It's geared differently and you can still pick your gears. If you just let it shift itself, then yeah it will be less peppy. The sport mode does do more aggressive shifting though if that's your bag.

The gearing may be the reason it's slower but that does not change the fact that it is slower than the manual.

Originally Posted by why?

Not slower, in fact faster and more useful. Remember the auto has a full manual mode that will let you shift yourself and will never auto shift for you. The manual gearbox is frankly too close ratio. No idea why 5th or 6th need to be geared like that. ( note that the link has the at/mt labels swapped.) I mean it is like they set the MT gearbox up for fastest mile or some other such idiotic thing. There is a reason so many boosted people swap the final drive ratio. They'd swap the entire gearbox if it wasn't so insanely expensive.

Note that the first 3 gears, you know the ones that would be used most off highway, are extremely close in both transmissions.

hmm....not really sure where you guys are getting that the auto is faster or just has fast as the manual. The auto is a full second slower to 60 and nearly 50 pounds heavier. Heres a link to show the auto is slower http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...tomatic-review

And sure it's more useful if you don't want to use a clutch but it's the opposite of useful with you want to use one.