Built FA20 by DSport?

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Saw this in this month's mag. Considering maybe getting one and delaying the forced induction by a year. Will allow me to run more power in the end. Probably don't need more power. Anyway, thought I'd share

[celek]

So wait...
A magazine company now builds engines?
PS I can replicate those for over $1000 less then they are asking.
Any you are only like 4.5 hrs away from me

[cjd]

Also, should be a bill of materials...

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by celek

So wait...
A magazine company now builds engines?
PS I can replicate those for over $1000 less then they are asking.
Any you are only like 4.5 hrs away from me

One day, and this day may never come, I may call upon you to perform a service for me lol

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by cjd

Also, should be a bill of materials...

like a list stating what each component costs? Cause they do have a list in the lower left side

[Soloside]

Originally Posted by celek

So wait...
A magazine company now builds engines?
PS I can replicate those for over $1000 less then they are asking.
Any you are only like 4.5 hrs away from me

I think the mag prices are in CAD, assuming since OP is in Canada. Comes out to be around 5800 USD. So if you CAN do it for more than 1000 less...let us know....

[JazzleSAURUS]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

like a list stating what each component costs? Cause they do have a list in the lower left side

The ad said 'build of materials' instead of bill of materials.

I see a lot of red flags in this ad. I've installed shortblocks that arrive ready to go, built my own shortblocks, had local shops do drop ins, and had local shops do full builds.

I'm concerned that they are listing the same shortblock for the BRZ and WRX.
"increased...superior....improved..." What are the specs? Are they 'from the factory tolerance of X to our tolerances of Y'?

"OEM Quality forged steel crankshafts" Why not OEM?

Why not ONE bearing manufacture? 3/4 options of 'you might get one of these' is a bit concerning. Have they tested all these bearings extensively in this platform?

For two THOUSAND DOLLARS less, you can get an IAG Stage 3 FA20 shortblock, which appears to be similar/a dash better, with slightly lower CR. https://www.iagperformance.com/IAG-S...g-eng-1322.htm

The MAP build with an option here and there is $1,500 less.

What is it that magically makes this engine worth so much more? Advertisements in their own magazine? lol

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS

The ad said 'build of materials' instead of bill of materials.

I see a lot of red flags in this ad. I've installed shortblocks that arrive ready to go, built my own shortblocks, had local shops do drop ins, and had local shops do full builds.

I'm concerned that they are listing the same shortblock for the BRZ and WRX.
"increased...superior....improved..." What are the specs? Are they 'from the factory tolerance of X to our tolerances of Y'?

"OEM Quality forged steel crankshafts" Why not OEM?

Why not ONE bearing manufacture? 3/4 options of 'you might get one of these' is a bit concerning. Have they tested all these bearings extensively in this platform?

For two THOUSAND DOLLARS less, you can get an IAG Stage 3 FA20 shortblock, which appears to be similar/a dash better, with slightly lower CR. https://www.iagperformance.com/IAG-S...g-eng-1322.htm

The MAP build with an option here and there is $1,500 less.

What is it that magically makes this engine worth so much more? Advertisements in their own magazine? lol

Probably! That's good info, thanks.

Also a rookie question, but what exactly is a short block? If let's say I'm installing one of these built engines, is there anything else I would need?

[celek]

Originally Posted by Soloside

I think the mag prices are in CAD, assuming since OP is in Canada. Comes out to be around 5800 USD. So if you CAN do it for more than 1000 less...let us know....

ClubDSPORT is in California thats USD pricing

[celek]

Here if you want to know the Bill of Materials and RETAIL costs.

OEM FB25 Crankshaft 90mm Stroke $600
Darton Mid Sleeves installed $1700
Bored and Honed sized to Piston to 89mm $400
Custom Rods $1100
Custom Pistons $800 (I can have any Compression Made)
ARP Case Bolts (NOT NEEDED) $500
Case Halves NEW $1200
Main and Rod Bearings $250
Assembly Labor $500

These are all HIGH numbers off the top of my head and exactly what DSPORT IS SELLING YOU. $7050 Keep in Mind that includes NEW Case Halves from Subaru Send me good Case halves and the price is $5850

[celek]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

Probably! That's good info, thanks.

Also a rookie question, but what exactly is a short block? If let's say I'm installing one of these built engines, is there anything else I would need?

Short block is only the crank rods and pistons in a case, no heads

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by celek

Short block is only the crank rods and pistons in a case, no heads

So how much do the heads cost? Just trying to ballpark the cost of a built engine, all expenses considered

[celek]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

So how much do the heads cost? Just trying to ballpark the cost of a built engine, all expenses considered

Are you trying to build a complete extra engine? You could pull your own heads off and put them on the short block.
If you are trying to build another engine prepare for lots of money because you will need heads valve covers front cover chains and guides intake manifold ect....
Unless you buy a used complete engine for like $2000-2500 CAD then use those parts to build a forged engine

[JazzleSAURUS]

Originally Posted by celek

Here if you want to know the Bill of Materials and RETAIL costs.

OEM FB25 Crankshaft 90mm Stroke $600
Darton Mid Sleeves installed $1700
Bored and Honed sized to Piston to 89mm $400
Custom Rods $1100
Custom Pistons $800 (I can have any Compression Made)
ARP Case Bolts (NOT NEEDED) $500
Case Halves NEW $1200
Main and Rod Bearings $250
Assembly Labor $500

These are all HIGH numbers off the top of my head and exactly what DSPORT IS SELLING YOU. $7050 Keep in Mind that includes NEW Case Halves from Subaru Send me good Case halves and the price is $5850

@celek, that's your version of the FA225, as DSport lists it, correct?

What is the reasoning for custom rods and pistons as opposed to some of the off the shelf versions? To accommodate the FB25 crank?

Perhaps that block doesn't seem terribly far off since it's sleeved, but to me their motors seem pretty over priced.

What are your thoughts on the other short blocks you've seen on the market like the IAG products? I've been installing them for a few years in EJ land, but I've only had to pull one FA!