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Old 05-22-2020, 01:22 PM   #1023
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Do we need to start a rumor for 2nd gen to have hatchback option? lol
I thought it was fact but... They called it a Shooting Brake.
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Old 05-22-2020, 01:25 PM   #1024
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Dealers here don't really carry the entry level SS anymore.
I don't think any dealer carries the base level of any car any longer because they know buyers want what's on the lot not what they can get. You pretty much have to order it, regardless of make/model.
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Old 05-22-2020, 04:46 PM   #1025
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Sounds to me more like the definition of "hot hatch" has changed and those lower powered ones are "luke warm"...
It’s obviously loose marketing and journo terminology, but there is some consistency in the following break down to describe quicker than normal hatchbacks:

Compacts, Sub-compacts with about 200HP = Warm hatch
Examples: Polo GTI, Veloster turbo/i30 N-line, Fiesta ST, Clio RS200, Cooper S, 208 GTI, Civic Si, Abarth 595

Compacts, Sub-compacts with between 230-280HP = Hot hatch
Examples: Golf GTI, Veloster/i30N, Focus ST, Megane RS280, Cooper JCW, 308GTI, S1

Compacts with 290HP or more, sometimes with AWD = Hyper hatch
Examples: Golf R, Focus RS, Megane RS300 Trophy, JCW GP3, Civic Type R, AMG A45, RS3, M135i

It’s not perfect, some are debateable, and the lines are sometimes blurred, but in general these terms allow us to make sense of the ‘go quicker’ hatches that sit above the slower cooking models.

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(and in the spirit of full disclosure, I have always hated the term "hot hatch", there has to be a better term than that)
The term is pretty widely used and understood though, so I don’t like your chances of popularising a replacement term.
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Old 05-22-2020, 06:22 PM   #1026
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A hot hatch is a hot hatch.

Why do people need to make up new categorisations for things that have been around for 30 years.

Warm hatch?, WTF, Hyper hatch, LOL.

Kids these days
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Old 05-22-2020, 11:23 PM   #1027
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A hot hatch is a hot hatch.

Why do people need to make up new categorisations for things that have been around for 30 years.

Warm hatch?, WTF, Hyper hatch, LOL.

Kids these days
They are pretty widely used now by journos. The twins performance was always considered in that warm hatch category. Veloster turbo and Fiesta ST are pretty comparable in straight line performance.
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Old 05-22-2020, 11:33 PM   #1028
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A hot hatch is a hot hatch.

Why do people need to make up new categorisations for things that have been around for 30 years.

Warm hatch?, WTF, Hyper hatch, LOL.

Kids these days
'scuse me, i'm looking for a tepid hatch.
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They don't call them "hatches" anymore anyway. They are all starting to call them "5 doors" which is one of the dumbest sounding terms ever.

so....

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They don't call them "hatches" anymore anyway. They are all starting to call them "5 doors" which is one of the dumbest sounding terms ever.

so....

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5 doors have existed for awhile.. hell the Mazda PR5 is a 5 door protege..

Just like "coupe hatchbacks" have been called 3 doors since at least the 90s. This doesn't seem new..
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:53 AM   #1031
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5 doors have existed for awhile.. hell the Mazda PR5 is a 5 door protege..

Just like "coupe hatchbacks" have been called 3 doors since at least the 90s. This doesn't seem new..
This is true but the term is becoming more common.
Oh and your idea of "a while" and mine are probably plenty different anyway. The 90s was like last week not a long time ago.
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:26 PM   #1032
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Maybe it was just me, but in the 70s/80s I only thought of fastback coupes as "hatchbacks", while Golf/Rabbit type of econocars were 3- and 5-doors. And there was the occasional 5-door fast/hatchback like the Mazda 626, an underutilized cofiguration IMO!
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With the size of a modern hatch, they should be called wagons instead.
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Old 05-23-2020, 03:19 PM   #1034
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This reminds me years ago I worked for a company and our delivery guy, who was super nice, happened to also be a Jehova's Witness. On the weekend one of the guys told him he.should take his cube van home with him. And, that there's several doors he can knock on it too!
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Do we need to start a rumor for 2nd gen to have hatchback option? lol

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Maybe it was just me, but in the 70s/80s I only thought of fastback coupes as "hatchbacks", while Golf/Rabbit type of econocars were 3- and 5-doors. And there was the occasional 5-door fast/hatchback like the Mazda 626, an underutilized cofiguration IMO!
Nope, it's not just you. Take the Chevy Vega for example. It was manufactured from 1970 to 1977. It was available in two-door hatchback (fastback), notchback, Kammback wagon, and sedan delivery body styles.
As I've stated before I purchased a brand new hatchback like this back in 1973.
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