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Old 06-12-2012, 01:11 PM   #85
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NICE! now someone start tuning! lol
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:19 PM   #86
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Ok, time for substantive questions. I see the torque calculation map, which is fine, but it's rather minor. Assuming EcuTek reverse engineered it correctly and the load axis is really grams/rev like a Subaru, somebody explain a few things.

1) What is the timing and knock control logic? Does it use a dynamic advance multiplier like the older Subarus? Does it use a calculated octane value (in RON)? Or does it use a basic "high octane" and "low octane" map with interpolation? Does it have an MBT calculation and a borderline knock timing calculation?

2) Have you found the injection timing maps? For both port and direct injection, does the logic go by start-of-injection or end-of-injection? Is there some kind of wall film compensation model for tip-in fuel?

3) There must be some kind of commanded air fuel ratio. Does it use open & closed loop areas, or closed loop through the entire operation? Is there an enrichment/closed-loop delay timer logic?

3) Have you found the MAF sensor scaling?

4) Have you found the cam phasing maps?

5) Can you turn on or off the diagnostic monitors and diagnostic trouble codes (check engine light)?

Please provide more information on what you guys have control over. The Japanese control systems (Denso, Hitachi) don't use full torque-based control like Bosch, Siemens, or Delphi do. So finding that map has limited usefulness.
I actually suspect this vehicle may have a non traditional control strategy compared to other Japanese systems. It is continually varying the duration of the port injectors, the duration AND timing of the direct injectors, AND the pressure from the high pressure fuel pump to achieve proper fueling. Also remember that the direct injectors and pump are actually controlled by another module, which will be running off commands from the main PCM.

This thing is not working off a simple injector basemap.
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So things are moving forward quickly.

Lachute Performance has a BRZ and is the first to be working the new EcuTek ProECU tools.

If all goes as planned expect major updates in the next days to come!

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Old 06-17-2012, 02:18 PM   #88
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I skimmed the thread and didn't see a price. Do we have an idea of how much the software/cable will cost?

Also, will the software run on Linux (Arch Linux or Debian in particular)?

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This is the question people that really needs to be answered. In the past, when ecutek was installed on certain subaru ecu's it could not be completely removed. As a result an owner could NOT install another tuning software such as Cobb AP or OS on that ecu. The ONLY solution I'm aware of involves getting a new ecu. I had an Ecutek license for my 04 WRX and fortunately Crawford was able to swap ecu's for me when I wanted to switch to Cobb AP.

I guess since Ecutek will be the first to release their product (as they were with the WRX) they won't know if it any other tuning software can be used on an ecu after a Ecutek tune is "removed". I personally will wait until other tuning options are available to find out if there are any other compatibility issues.


Looks like its going to be a sales grab. A attempt to take market share before the sheep wise up. And they find out they are locked out and its to late.

As I still see no one has given a answer to the question.
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Looks like its going to be a sales grab. A attempt to take market share before the sheep wise up. And they find out they are locked out and its to late.

As I still see no one has given a answer to the question.
Read the thread , it's all in there.
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I skimmed the thread and didn't see a price. Do we have an idea of how much the software/cable will cost?

Also, will the software run on Linux (Arch Linux or Debian in particular)?

Thanks!
EcuTek's cable costs $350

EcuTek's license is $250

I plan on selling cables with a staged tune.

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Old 06-18-2012, 06:58 AM   #92
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so if someone spends the $600 on a cable and license, they still can't modify their own maps to make a custom tune?
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so if someone spends the $600 on a cable and license, they still can't modify their own maps to make a custom tune?
Yup!

Your going to spend $600 and not be able to make custom changes yourself.

Only ProTuners will be able to.

They're plans to release a copy of the software that will let you makes changes yourself but not during the initial release

Btw this is not a uncommon thing

John

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So things are moving forward quickly.

Lachute Performance has a BRZ and is the first to be working the new EcuTek ProECU tools.

If all goes as planned expect major updates in the next days to come!

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Yes absolutely.

details of the development coming soon

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Yes absolutely.

details of the development coming soon

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Old 06-18-2012, 08:59 AM   #96
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a staged tune, would be like a tune for people that have upgraded exhaust & intake? is it possible to revert back to factory settings?
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a staged tune, would be like a tune for people that have upgraded exhaust & intake? is it possible to revert back to factory settings?
Each Vendor will be offering different things - I will be offering Staged Tunes with the cable - for intake and exhaust.

The more expensive option would be getting a custom tune in person or via email.


The less expensive option would be getting a EcuTek tune with-out purchasing their cable. It's cheaper but will leave you unable to flash back to stock and with out the ability to datalog.

Let me know if you have anymore questions

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Each Vendor will be offering different things - I will be offering Staged Tunes with the cable - for intake and exhaust.

The more expensive option would be getting a custom tune in person or via email.


The less expensive option would be getting a EcuTek tune with-out purchasing their cable. It's cheaper but will leave you unable to flash back to stock and with out the ability to datalog.

Let me know if you have anymore questions

Thanks

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So the staged tune with cable that you plan to sell, can be taken back to stock? DIY type thing?
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