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Old 06-14-2018, 12:48 AM   #15
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Speaking of Key issues

speaking of key issues ....... I also have a generic key fob which I am looking into programming myself. No alarm or remote start functions but door / trunk lock and panic only. Strange thing is that while the generic key / key fob is cut but not programmed - sometimes it will turn the starter over to the point where it sounds like it will start but disconnects. Other times the starter turns over for perhaps 1/2 a second while others no response from the starter at all. I get the same results with a few basic / none chip keys I also have had cut. The OEM key which always works perfectly is left some distance away so to know the car is not seeing it's chip in any way. Should the none chip as well as chip key that has not been programmed get any response from the starter ? I have two other vehicles which utilize chip keys and when a none chip but cut key is inserted - they rotate as normal but dash provides a icon and tone telling you "ain't gonna work"

On a side note ... while picking up a part at a Toyota dealership I inquired what they charge to program a key. I was asked if it was an OEM key and when told no - their reply was they can not do it. They stated I would have to spend the inflated price to buy a OEM key / key fob or replace the vehicles on board computer to one that will work with generic keys / key fobs. I guess the high profit they make programming is not enough for them
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Ya I knew it was OP. Just pointing out how it isn't so simple as hooking two wires together.
Really that easy to get Techstream? I have never even looked before.
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Yes. Using Techstream is how the dealers do it. That is NOT the same as hooking two wires together and pushing two buttons. How many people have Techstream?

Sorry Tcoat, it really is that easy to get techstream, and the associated cables required. Used it many times on my corolla and FR-S. Even this forum had a post with a cracked version of tech stream available that I used for awhile.
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speaking of key issues ....... I also have a generic key fob which I am looking into programming myself. No alarm or remote start functions but door / trunk lock and panic only. Strange thing is that while the generic key / key fob is cut but not programmed - sometimes it will turn the starter over to the point where it sounds like it will start but disconnects. Other times the starter turns over for perhaps 1/2 a second while others no response from the starter at all. I get the same results with a few basic / none chip keys I also have had cut. The OEM key which always works perfectly is left some distance away so to know the car is not seeing it's chip in any way. Should the none chip as well as chip key that has not been programmed get any response from the starter ? I have two other vehicles which utilize chip keys and when a none chip but cut key is inserted - they rotate as normal but dash provides a icon and tone telling you "ain't gonna work"

On a side note ... while picking up a part at a Toyota dealership I inquired what they charge to program a key. I was asked if it was an OEM key and when told no - their reply was they can not do it. They stated I would have to spend the inflated price to buy a OEM key / key fob or replace the vehicles on board computer to one that will work with generic keys / key fobs. I guess the high profit they make programming is not enough for them

Blatant misinformation, I used tech stream and a cut key to make a flip key for my car. I'd follow the video guide someone posted earlier and get techstream and a good techstream cable to do it yourself
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Techstream and cable ordered

Ordered cable / driver and software so anxious to give it a try. The software was obtained off of Fleabay and version V13.10.019 The seller states if one provides their car VIN he can provide one "Pass Code Calculation" ??? They also offer support via TeamViewer if desired I have some youtube videos to watch regarding the process so hoping with some homework it will be an easy process.
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Still no luck

After buying 6 different aftermarket immobilizer keys / remotes "ebay and Amazon' along with the Techstream software and cable I still have had no luck. I feel comfortable that it is not a Techstream / communications issue as I can utilize multiple other programming functions of the software without issue. Also no issue using the software to program the remote feature of the keys. Only with programming the immobilizer key will the process go smoothly until instructed to insert new key and turn to Ignition on / Engine off do things go South. After doing so, in a few seconds the software states it can not complete and asks if I would like to try again.
On 2 occasions I have had the local Toyota dealership try to program some of my aftermarket keys. Each time they stated they would try though I would be charged $128.00 for labor even if unsuccessful. Needless to say they stated they could not "wish I could have seen the attempt with my own eyes" and was suggested I go buy an OEM key from their parts dept. Luckily the sales manager and I have a good rapport from past dealings so he gets the parts dept to drop failed attempt / labor charges as a courtesy.

All of the ebay / Amazon keys purchased state to be the G chip version and have the key blade stamped as such. This video I found from what looks like a professional locksmith / smart key programming service sheds some light on the subject.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DizQzJN1eGg&t=76s"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DizQzJN1eGg&t=76s[/ame]

Odd that if you search for FRS keys you will find endless results that state G-Chip FRS compatible. If searching for those that specify to be a dealer part number SU003-01445 or compatible to, your looking in the $175.00 plus range. I found one exception in the $49.00 range but ..... out of stock.


FRSBRZGY86FAN Did you have success with a cheaper, say sub $40 key and get the immobilizer chip programmed as well ?
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I’ve had the same problem with aftermarket keys. My theory is these keys come with blank chips and need to be programmed before they can be paired with Techstream. OEM keys come with a chip that isn’t blank. There is a tool called the Magic Wand which you can find for $35 on Ali Express that will clone a chip to a blank chip. One of these days I’m going to buy one and try it on my aftermarket keys.
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i am very interest in car key programming,but if i lost all my keys,what can i do?
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i am very interest in car key programming,but if i lost all my keys,what can i do?


Techstream can do it but you need some sort of tokens to unlock that functionality. It gives you some sort of key which the dealer gives to Toyota corporate and then they give another code that you type back into the software and then it lets you add a key without having an original. There is some web service that sells these tokens but I’m not sure if it’s a scam or not. I think the best plan is to figure out how to handle it before you loose your last key.

I placed an order for a chip programmer on ALI Express last week. I think it’s due to arrive next week. If I have success I will report back with my findings. The device was only $30 or so.
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I have had no luck

I looked for the Magic Wand and only source that I found was through Aliexpress which indicated there were 2 versions being 1: Magic Wand and 2: Magic Wand II which seems to accommodate additional versions of chips. Could not see if they sold both and had never ordered from Aliexpress before.

I started looking at other "lower end" programmers in the sub $200 range and could never see any that confirmed Scion FRS in their list of compatible vehicles. Also can not find any source indicating exactly what chip is used for the FRS. Toyota G / Subaru G ???

I contacted a large locksmith in my area which indicates to have an automotive division and promotes being able to program all immobilizers keys even if all have been lost. Called and explained I was wanting a chip key programmed which I would supply and specified 2013 FRS. They stated no problem and charge would be $35 to plug into vehicle and an additional $100 if they could program with no promises unless they provided the key. Drove down and they acted skeptical about being able to perform the task
After they received my $35 "attempt" payment, they just tried to clone my working OEM key saying their tool would not copy the code. They were using a Xhorse brand VVDI key tool which looks to be of typical professional grade equipment. I inquired if they could do so via the OBD2 port and they only stated "it is a closed system and only chance would to be to remove a chip from the ECU and program it directly which we can not do"

I have seen a couple videos where they program via the OBD2 port with very expensive professional programmers. I noticed they refer to "tokens" so to utilize a pass code generator like you mentioned. I also saw this video where it looks like Techstream can be used but perhaps it is going online and working with Techstreams website to do this function like you also mentioned.... not certain

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK_aHtvhhRk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK_aHtvhhRk[/ame]


I thought I would experiment with techstream today and as soon as i started to connect to the vehicle, a window popped up saying my version of Techstream was outdated as of Dec 2018 and I needed to log in to upgrade ..... of course I am using an ebay obtained copy. Just now jumped on ebay and purchased what is stated to be the latest 3/2019 version. Seller promotes he will also provide service for one "Pass-Code Calculation" if buyer provides their VIN. I will see if the seller knows if this is what would be needed to use Techstream for immobilizer key programming ....

Lastly, i stopped by a local Toyota dealership and ordered an OEM valet key. Talked with a kid there and told him my experience with the automotive locksmith. He was very informative in saying all they "dealerships" use is Techstream when programming keys. Hoping to have them program with me acting the part of the curious old man who harmlessly want's to see the process done

I will also report any new findings
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Program Car Key?

Our car uses a Toyota G chip which is supported by the original Magic Wand. I noticed a new version was out but was never able to fine one on ALIExpress. I hate ALIExpress. The site is a mess and the reviews are all clearly fake. Seems every review is Russian and very elaborate. For example: “does the job”, “works great”, “skipped fast”. You can pay those Russians bots to do anything. Hahaha.

I actually ordered the “MINI BULL” or some crap like that. If I have success with it I don’t mind mailing it your way.

The official way though is with Techstream. If you already have a working key it prompts you to enter the original key and then when it sees the key it asks you to remove it and then insert the new key. For some reason it never sees my new key though. My theory is that an OEM comes with a chip that already has a serial number of some sort flashed on it. Techstream reads the serial and stores it in the ECU. My guess is these 3rd party chips are blank therefor Techstream doesn’t see them. Again this is just my theory. I am hoping this tool from China will clone the chip and then Techstream will not be needed.

The token stuff in Techstream is only needed if all keys are lost. I think it can login via the Internet via the dealerships account or work in an offline mode where it supplies a key which you would give to Toyota over the phone and they give you another key to type into Techstream. This is where the keygen services come into play. If your chip is blank I don’t think this method would work either.

I’ve been wanting to buy one of these tools from China for a while but keep putting it off because there are so many to chose from. I finally bet $30 and rolled the dice. Who knows when it will arrive though. The tracking is so crazy from China. 1 month has been the average for me so far.
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I just watched that video about “Toyota rules don’t apply”. I’ve been watching this thread for a while but missed that video. So I guess they are not a standard Toyota G key. I googled Subaru G chip and get some hits. I already have two aftermarket Toyota G keys and they are already cut for my car so I think I will just buy a few chips and swap out the chips I already have. Maybe then it will finally work in Techstream. This whole process is such a scam. I get that they want it to be secure but paying 250 for a key is just ridiculous. I’d rather waste 250 on random tools and incorrect keys than let the dealers win with their scams. Hahaha

Tomorrow morning I will do a little more research from a computer (on my phone right now) and then place an order for some chip.

Maybe between the two of us we can finally solve this mystery.
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Okay. Did more research and I’m not entirely sure which chip to buy. I think the safest and guaranteed way to get this working is to buy an OEM valet for ~60 and then extract the chip and insert it into one of our many aftermarket clicker keys. Here is a video showing how to cut the valet key open:


At least we can avoid the dealers ripoff programming fee and the valet is only 60 compared to 160 or so for an OEM clicker.

Im not sure if you have noticed but the chip is wedged into the side of the key shell. A very thin flat head will get it out. Then we just press the extracted chip in.

The part number for the valet is SU003-01453

The downfall to using the chip from a valet is this chip can’t be used to pair a new key. Only master keys can be used to pair a new key. So you if you are like me and only have one master left you have to guard it with your life.

Hmm. Maybe just buy the front cover of the key? Here is the part number:
SU003-03945

Maybe I can find a local dealer with one in stock and have a look at it to see if the chip is in the slot. The front cover is $60.

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DIY can be costly

When I ordered a basic "no remote / valet" key, I remember the Toyota parts guy telling me the part number which ended in 52
I am thinking it is SU00301452 I am in the same boat as you in having just one OEM master key so having a key that can start the car hidden inside and a bare bones hide-a-key hidden on the outside should keep me from ever getting stranded. The important factor for me is the Toyota tech letting me watch the process of programming that key. Only after will I inquire if they have to do anything to the key prior.
I have purchased 7 different aftermarket immobilizer keys, 5 with integrated remotes. I have gotten good at pulling / swapping the chips around between them. My OEM key has it's chip glued in very well so must wait until I get another key programmed before chancing damaging it in the removal process. Hoping to be able to read the numbers off of it when I do.

The cost of DIY satisfaction can be steep sometimes.
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success ...... Finally

Finally have had some success. For $82 I picked up an OEM Valet key from the Dealership. Before paying them $115.00 to program it, I wanted to take a crack at it with Techstream. Unlike the handful of various G-Chip keys found on ebay / Amazon I purchased which promoted being compatible with the 2013 FRS, this one registered without a hitch. Now tempted to dissect and remove it's chip hoping to be able to read its manufacturer part number then place in one of the remote heads.

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