Crash Tests? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

red_door · 02-04-2022, 09:34 AM

Hi all,

I've got a deposit placed for a GR86 as my new daily and while it's not on the top of my list, crash safety certainly factors in the decision.

That being said, I've been searching everywhere for crash ratings and it seems like it just hasn't been done yet, which seems odd to me as both the new twins are already for sale to the public.

Does anyone have any idea when IIHS/NHTSA/EuroNCAP will be testing these?

Tcoat · 02-04-2022, 10:06 AM

They have undoubtable already been tested but it can take a while before the numbers get published.

I would highly doubt they have changed from the 4 stars across the board of the first gen. There just hasn't been that big a change in them.

red_door · 02-04-2022, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They have undoubtable already been tested but it can take a while before the numbers get published.

I would highly doubt they have changed from the 4 stars across the board of the first gen. There just hasn't been that big a change in them.

I figured it would be quite similar to the first gen, I just wanted to see video/data. I know most new cars will pass with flying colors but it's nice to see it for yourself instead of assuming.

Tcoat · 02-04-2022, 11:02 AM

Well this is about as safe an assumption as you can possibly make.

Brz-123 · 02-04-2022, 12:04 PM

I would say it would've improved with the Active safety assistance systems on the automatic like rear cross traffic alert, adaptive cruise control etc... Also passive safety improvements like Drivers Knee airbag etc.

daiheadjai · 02-04-2022, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They have undoubtable already been tested but it can take a while before the numbers get published.

I would highly doubt they have changed from the 4 stars across the board of the first gen. There just hasn't been that big a change in them.

If it does go down, it'll probably because of changed crash standards/criteria... They seem to update those every few years

Jegan_V · 02-04-2022, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

If it does go down, it'll probably because of changed crash standards/criteria... They seem to update those every few years

It's guaranteed not to score top. The NCAP and any organization that uses that system, this car's best score is likely to be 3 stars tops and the manual is 2 stars. It significantly punishes cars without the new safety suites with their modern criteria, manual of course having none while the auto has in essence EyeSight lite.

IIHS, it could score excellently in all the testing. It will not be a Top Safety pick however due to once again the weak or minimal safety suite. The old car was a Top Safety pick winner because it preceded this criteria.

This might very well be one of the last cars made that can be optioned without the safety suite systems. Genuinely a brave decision by Subaru and Toyota.

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk

daiheadjai · 02-04-2022, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

It's guaranteed not to score top. The NCAP and any organization that uses that system, this car's best score is likely to be 3 stars tops and the manual is 2 stars. It significantly punishes cars without the new safety suites with their modern criteria, manual of course having none while the auto has in essence EyeSight lite.

IIHS, it could score excellently in all the testing. It will not be a Top Safety pick however due to once again the weak or minimal safety suite. The old car was a Top Safety pick winner because it preceded this criteria.

This might very well be one of the last cars made that can be optioned without the safety suite systems. Genuinely a brave decision by Subaru and Toyota.

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk

That's the downside of a car where the safety suite consists of "don't be a fool"

soundman98 · 02-04-2022, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

It's guaranteed not to score top. The NCAP and any organization that uses that system, this car's best score is likely to be 3 stars tops and the manual is 2 stars. It significantly punishes cars without the new safety suites with their modern criteria, manual of course having none while the auto has in essence EyeSight lite.

IIHS, it could score excellently in all the testing. It will not be a Top Safety pick however due to once again the weak or minimal safety suite. The old car was a Top Safety pick winner because it preceded this criteria.

This might very well be one of the last cars made that can be optioned without the safety suite systems. Genuinely a brave decision by Subaru and Toyota.

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk

yep. it's important to remember that crash testing is no longer just about smashing and survivability anymore. hell, even a car built 10 years ago is safer now than anything tcoat grew up with!

Arthur-A · 02-04-2022, 09:36 PM

This is fucking ridiculous. With all these nannies the automakers are made to cater to degenerates who never should be placed behind the wheel if they need all that crap.

Interceptor777 · 02-05-2022, 07:39 PM

Well, that escalated quickly...

Tcoat · 02-05-2022, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundman98

yep. it's important to remember that crash testing is no longer just about smashing and survivability anymore. hell, even a car built 10 years ago is safer now than anything tcoat grew up with!

That's for sure! Hell, you can go back way more then 10 years to find safer cars.
The old adage of "they don't make them like they used to" is a very good thing.
At least 6 cars that I owned as daily drivers didn't even have seatbelts.
Use this video when people insist that the big old cars were safer.
No crumple zone, airbags, restraints, nothing.
All the kinetic energy and big heavy steel parts all gets placed square onto the driver.

soundman98 · 02-05-2022, 09:55 PM

and the 10 year old cars would now get an 'F' rating by the new system!

humfrz · 02-05-2022, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundman98

yep. it's important to remember that crash testing is no longer just about smashing and survivability anymore. hell, even a car built 10 years ago is safer now than anything tcoat grew up with!

Yep, fer sure, especially the cars that @Tcoat was raised in, were further weakened by the Canadian rust -

02-04-2022, 09:34 AM	#1
red_door Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Drives: 2023 BRZ, 1990 Miata Location: Utah Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Crash Tests? Hi all, I've got a deposit placed for a GR86 as my new daily and while it's not on the top of my list, crash safety certainly factors in the decision. That being said, I've been searching everywhere for crash ratings and it seems like it just hasn't been done yet, which seems odd to me as both the new twins are already for sale to the public. Does anyone have any idea when IIHS/NHTSA/EuroNCAP will be testing these?

02-04-2022, 10:06 AM	#2
Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,845 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,283 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2495 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	They have undoubtable already been tested but it can take a while before the numbers get published. I would highly doubt they have changed from the 4 stars across the board of the first gen. There just hasn't been that big a change in them. __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

02-04-2022, 11:02 AM	#4
Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,845 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,283 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2495 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	Well this is about as safe an assumption as you can possibly make. __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

02-05-2022, 09:55 PM	#13
soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	and the 10 year old cars would now get an 'F' rating by the new system! __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
What are the emissions tests in Connecticut?	JAK_SPYRO	NY / NJ / CT / PA	5	05-20-2017 02:15 PM
Crash Test Results - American, Australian and Japanese Tests	Yoniyama	Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum	1	02-11-2015 12:38 AM
Moto IQ tests the KW V3...	CSG Mike	Suspension \| Chassis \| Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing	26	07-18-2013 03:44 PM

02-04-2022, 12:04 PM	#5
Brz-123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: BRZ Location: UK Posts: 154 Thanks: 74 Thanked 80 Times in 59 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would say it would've improved with the Active safety assistance systems on the automatic like rear cross traffic alert, adaptive cruise control etc... Also passive safety improvements like Drivers Knee airbag etc.

02-04-2022, 09:36 PM	#10
Arthur-A Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Drives: 2020 BRZ/86, 2020 BMW 330i Location: PNW, USA Posts: 292 Thanks: 196 Thanked 172 Times in 104 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This is fucking ridiculous. With all these nannies the automakers are made to cater to degenerates who never should be placed behind the wheel if they need all that crap.

02-05-2022, 07:39 PM	#11
Interceptor777 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Drives: 2022 BRZ, 1999 "touge-spec" Miata Location: MD Posts: 153 Thanks: 33 Thanked 110 Times in 54 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well, that escalated quickly...

User Name		Remember Me?
Password