|
Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum The place to start for the Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 | GT86 |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
05-11-2014, 06:15 PM | #29 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Drives: 91 Toyota Supra 16 Nissan Versa
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Posts: 955
Thanks: 365
Thanked 444 Times in 246 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Two words, The Griffon you can't sit there and tell me that this is a joke. This is arguably the best 86 out there. And what's even more amazing, not only is it a track beast, it's also an R and D vehicle. So some if not all, of it's parts will soon be available for purchase. TRD is not slouching here. it just takes time.
__________________
The FRS/BRZ was not meant to be a world beating car, it was not meant to be an extremely fast car, nor a powerful car, but a well balanced fun car.
|
|
05-11-2014, 06:16 PM | #30 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Drives: 91 Toyota Supra 16 Nissan Versa
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Posts: 955
Thanks: 365
Thanked 444 Times in 246 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
agreed.
__________________
The FRS/BRZ was not meant to be a world beating car, it was not meant to be an extremely fast car, nor a powerful car, but a well balanced fun car.
|
05-11-2014, 07:52 PM | #31 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,295
Thanks: 2,708
Thanked 1,052 Times in 664 Posts
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I can sum your posts up in one word: "troll" Guess what the griffon doesn't have? (Pointless aero) And guess what they got rid of (weight) It's been fun, "dude,". But I am done feeding you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
|
05-11-2014, 08:41 PM | #32 | |
-Proud of Brzerhood-
Join Date: Oct 2009
Drives: '17 BRZ CWP LMT.
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,153
Thanks: 2,717
Thanked 1,725 Times in 790 Posts
Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
So just for knowledge at least for me, mind telling me why the TRD kit is pointless? because I've been following this car since it's conception on paper, and I know for a fact they tested the TRD kit several times, I'm speaking for the Japanese part they based it on. It's differences are very minimal to what is one the RS1.0. Why is the aero on the Yellow car pointless? Thanks. Respectfully, Zaku
__________________
"The BRZ Section's fine wine" -Zgrinch |
|
05-11-2014, 08:43 PM | #33 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Drives: 91 Toyota Supra 16 Nissan Versa
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Posts: 955
Thanks: 365
Thanked 444 Times in 246 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I'm no troll -I saw that you were writing the 1.0 off because of it's bodykit. -I told you it's fine that you don't like it, just don't piss on other people who like it. -You continued on, saying that the "useless bodykit" adds weight -I told you that a lot of things add weight, and getting all bent out of shape just because less than 100lbs (arguably less than 50lbs) was added is basically pointless -You then go on to complain about Toyota's support for the FR-S/86. You say it has been a joke, and they ultimately failed. You praised the aftermarket for stepping up. -I point out that TRD support for the FR-S/86 has been great, citing the Griffon car as evidence of their developments. -You call me a troll, and say the Griffon apparently doesn't count because it's has a gutted interior and functional aerodynamics. We were(are?) debating. I came into thins knowing I would never convince you to like it. I was merely discussing the topic. I never once insulted you. I merely disagreed. If you would like to continue I'll point this out. True the Griffon has Aero, and a gutted interior, but it's still a TRD vehicle. And I think it's credible evidence that TRD supports and is developing for the FR-S/86, therefore negating your claim that TRD is a "Joke." Just because the RS 1.0 isn't a factory-built track monster doesn't mean it's pointless. I pointed it out earlier that some people don't go to track days, or care about going faster. Some just like cruising. also it occurred to me, How do we know the aero isn't functional? I can't find any records of a wind tunnel test. so in reality, that claim is unproven until some tests can be done.
__________________
The FRS/BRZ was not meant to be a world beating car, it was not meant to be an extremely fast car, nor a powerful car, but a well balanced fun car.
|
|
05-11-2014, 08:48 PM | #34 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Drives: 91 Toyota Supra 16 Nissan Versa
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Posts: 955
Thanks: 365
Thanked 444 Times in 246 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
__________________
The FRS/BRZ was not meant to be a world beating car, it was not meant to be an extremely fast car, nor a powerful car, but a well balanced fun car.
|
|
05-11-2014, 08:59 PM | #35 |
-Proud of Brzerhood-
Join Date: Oct 2009
Drives: '17 BRZ CWP LMT.
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,153
Thanks: 2,717
Thanked 1,725 Times in 790 Posts
Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I like one of the things you mentioned, I don't think you're a troll I've seen you here long enough to know you make good educated posts. The other guy too, thought I know him to a lesser extent.
The comment where it's not a track monster, and it's just for cursing and fun. This is where my support of the cabriolet comes from too, I don't think people will buy it to track, most people don't, it's their DD. Heck people who have FRS now or BRZ, not everyone tracks it. I never tracked my BRZ once, if you autocross for example, I don't think it's gonna matter if you have a TRD kit or not. I've seen OLD AE86 out autocross our 86, but that's a whole matter entirely. That car does have some performance enhancements, isn't that Quad better than the stock? isn't a aero kit on a car have some purpose?, also there's no confirmation if the car will have the TRD wheel and Stickier tire option either. The TRD springs on the yellow car I'm sure isn't just for show, you will get some performance benefits out of it. If the car was perfect as it is, then they'll be no need for aftermarket support and R&D to make it better. Now I like it the way it is too, but I really like it that everyone has a choice and variety. I don't see how the extra items that come with the Yellow car, makes it any less of a performance car, then the stock. And honestly if weight was such a big issue, in Daily driving, I would do what the F1 drivers do eat less lol, I'm a pretty skinny guy but I think that Alonso guy weight even less than I do.
__________________
"The BRZ Section's fine wine" -Zgrinch |
05-11-2014, 09:09 PM | #36 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Drives: FR-S 10 Series
Location: NY
Posts: 1,062
Thanks: 615
Thanked 347 Times in 251 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
The High Voltage yellow on the tC is different than the FR-S Yuzu. Yuzu is a brighter yellow. |
|
05-11-2014, 09:16 PM | #37 |
@Executive_chicken
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: Firestorm FR-S, Audi A3 E-tron
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,157
Thanks: 106
Thanked 469 Times in 289 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
It does not have heated leather seats which would also add to the weight.
As far as why some people are so upset at these models I can't say its something new. I'm sure it's partially buyers remorse for getting an FR-S so early. Also most things from TRD do help aero. |
05-11-2014, 09:30 PM | #38 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Drives: FR-S 10 Series
Location: NY
Posts: 1,062
Thanks: 615
Thanked 347 Times in 251 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
It doesn't come with heated seats, it's closer to the 10 Series than the Monogram -with a body kit, yuzu yellow instead of silver ignition, quad tip exhaust instead of light up badges and limited to 1,500 instead of 2,500. |
|
05-11-2014, 11:08 PM | #39 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,295
Thanks: 2,708
Thanked 1,052 Times in 664 Posts
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I have ZERO buyers remorse. Not a bit actually. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
|
05-12-2014, 01:32 AM | #40 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,295
Thanks: 2,708
Thanked 1,052 Times in 664 Posts
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
scion yellow release selease series
Quote:
Think of aero in terms of low pressure and high pressure on the car. Here is what I think is a TRD body kit. I marked the pressure with red being the high pressure and green being low pressure. Here's why the griffon works The canards create the downforce for the front and the wing sits right in the high pressure area coming off the roof. You now have a low pressure spot UNDER the car, pushing the car down (good thing). I WANT THAT HOOD as it is a true heat extractor hood and creates a low presseure area behind the radiator, literally sucking the hot air from the engine and pulling air from the radiator (which faces slightly upward) They used aero to their advantage to cool the car. If you think about the car in terms of low pressure and high pressure areas, you can answer your own question on whether or not the 1.0 series is fuctional. Of course any aero is going to do something, but in the 1.0 series and the TRD kit, not much. All the stuff coming out of these cars DID have a racing start, but MOST of the front lips people are putting on these cars aren't functional. They look cool, but they aren't doing what they are supposed to. IMHO function over form. I'll take something that ACTUALLY WORKS over something that looks cool. It's the reason why I went with a wing that was taped on….so I could bolt on a fuctional wing in the future and pull the stillen wing off. I also plan on putting on a fuctional lip, which looks like it's about to come out by one of our forum venders. Stoked! I hope all that makes sense. Last edited by suaveflooder; 05-12-2014 at 02:23 AM. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to suaveflooder For This Useful Post: | Zaku (05-12-2014) |
05-12-2014, 05:04 AM | #41 |
@Executive_chicken
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: Firestorm FR-S, Audi A3 E-tron
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,157
Thanks: 106
Thanked 469 Times in 289 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
It's a bit unfair to go TRD kit vs. Revision 3 Griffon. TRD was done during the early stages of development. While rev.3 is now almost 2 full years of post development.
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Calidrifter For This Useful Post: | Zaku (05-12-2014) |
05-12-2014, 11:20 AM | #42 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,295
Thanks: 2,708
Thanked 1,052 Times in 664 Posts
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Once you see HOW the griffon works, you can look back on the TRD and see griffon influences (honestly, it might be the other way around. TRD kit came first), but see why they don't really work. The TRD parts, for the most part, are just pretty little posers. Which is why toyota sells so much of it. It looks good! And it LOOKS a lot like their race car. Example: My stillen wing is a smaller verson of a fully functional wing, so it has "racing influence" but it's not really doing much. It would have to be a good 5 to 10 times bigger to actually work and create usable downforce on the rear end. |
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Press Release: NEW FDA9 Series Shark Fin Antenna for Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S | Beat-Sonic | Announcements, Contests, Giveaways | 20 | 06-26-2014 03:37 AM |
Pictures of Scion FR-S Release Series 1.0 from Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach | mav1178 | FR-S & 86 Photos, Videos, Wallpapers, Gallery Forum | 19 | 04-20-2014 12:03 AM |
Scion FR-S Release Series 1.0 | CSOCSO | Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum | 26 | 04-16-2014 07:16 PM |
Release Series | rL-gT | Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum | 55 | 01-18-2012 02:02 PM |