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Old 03-07-2018, 09:25 PM   #463
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As the law is currently interpreted, unless it's explicitly whitelisted, aka CARB, it cannot be used.

I'm sure someone will eventually fight it.


While the intercooler itself is legal, there's a very high correlation with intercooler upgrades and other non-legal modifications. It does fall under probable cause. Can you tell me how many of your friends with legal intercooler upgrades have a 100% legal car, otherwise? I thought so.
Have you seen those videos on YouTube about open carry where someone is being unlawfully detained because someone complains they have a gun in their hands (which is legal in their states)? I feel like the intercooler is like that.

Anyways, back to this kit...

What is the timeline after they go to the Sema lab? Submit the results then wait a year for a response?
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Have you seen those videos on YouTube about open carry where someone is being unlawfully detained because someone complains they have a gun in their hands (which is legal in their states)? I feel like the intercooler is like that.

Anyways, back to this kit...

What is the timeline after they go to the Sema lab? Submit the results then wait a year for a response?
It is *exactly* like that!

It may be a few weeks, it may be a year. Government agencies are not the fastest.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:28 PM   #465
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Email them could be best. They replied to me in one to two business days. Could you buy a universal vacuum hose kit, or are you trying to not overspend?

I'm actually trying to find the diameter of the rubber hoses to step down the diameter of the silicone ones so I will never need to replace them again. Silicone vac hoses don't usually need clamps or anything for vacuum lines.

I'll ask Harrop. If I find out diameters and lengths, then they will be posted in the thread.
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If the cams are on, they have to cite everyone, with zero discretion. That med student who got pulled over with weed? Without a body cam, the cop would likely just make the kid throw it away and call it a day. With a body cam, he now has to be cited, and his life ruined.

Why?

Because if the cop lets ONE person slide, then when he is called to court to testify at a trial for a much more serious crime, such as a DUI, guess what happens when he gets cross examined? The defense attorney will bring up that time the cop let someone go, and ask why this guy was also not let go. This results in the guy getting off with the crime, as well as getting the well meaning cop in trouble.

Making that one exception, means now the precedent is set in that everyone has to be granted that exception.

This is one of the major arguments used to make a case against body cams.



In your case, if you're in california, those visible modifications (FMIC) is probable cause. If you refuse to pop your hood, and the cop is in a bad mood, the cop will then detain you and call a specialist who is more knowledgeable in vehicle modifications to determine if a ticket should be issued. Should you still refuse to pop your hood, he can then impound your car, get a warrent, and then pop your hood at the tow yard. This just now cost you a tow fee, storage fee, and STILL the citation.


As I said above and like you said, best to just not attract attention and get pulled over.

Everyone asks me why I keep my car so quiet. I think you know exactly why. A car doesn't need to be loud to be fast.

Is this only Cali that runs these sorts of shenanigans or what? I've moved from a no-emissions or sound level state to one that requires at least an OBDII port test (not cali) and you've got me kinda worried.
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Is this only Cali that runs these sorts of shenanigans or what? I've moved from a no-emissions or sound level state to one that requires at least an OBDII port test (not cali) and you've got me kinda worried.
Many other states have similar laws, but they may or may not be aggressively enforced. You'll want to consult with a local attorney if you want straight up answers.
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In florida, the only vehicles louder than all the stangs and challengers driving around are the motor cops harleys. Did see and hear a real loud Porsche driving through trumpville the other day though.
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Is this only Cali that runs these sorts of shenanigans or what? I've moved from a no-emissions or sound level state to one that requires at least an OBDII port test (not cali) and you've got me kinda worried.
Ive had to go the the ref before. Back in the day you would just convert to stock before going to the ref. Some would just pay the ticket like $375. Who knows what it costs now. Running catless can be a big fine like over a grand maybe. I play by the rules these days: catbacks, non-vented oil catch cans, FMIC upgrades, CARB EO intakes n FI kits, stuff like that.
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Word is, car is going in for testing in the next 2 weeks, so everyone is crossing our fingers that it goes smoothly!





Great news. Will be nice to get the carb sticker. Loving the kit so far. Can’t wait to get some track time to shake down the new setup!


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Thank you all! Considering that I live at 5k ft vs formerly living in e85 and 50ft elevation land, how much power am I losing?

I loved beating the piss out of turbo and muscle cars back in the old stomping grounds. I'm considering putting back on the stock header (with retune) to cut down on the ungodly noise screaming into the workplace... that or selling the kit to buy a turbo kit like one of the mods to make up the difference of the partial atmospheric pressures.
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Thank you all! Considering that I live at 5k ft vs formerly living in e85 and 50ft elevation land, how much power am I losing?

I loved beating the piss out of turbo and muscle cars back in the old stomping grounds. I'm considering putting back on the stock header (with retune) to cut down on the ungodly noise screaming into the workplace... that or selling the kit to buy a turbo kit like one of the mods to make up the difference of the partial atmospheric pressures.
~18% to elevation
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For those of you purchased the Harrop SC, any reason why you got the Harrop ($6,044 with ECUTek) over the Cosworth SC ($6750 with ECUtek)?

1) Any other pros on the Harrop beside $710 cheaper in price?
2) If you had a chance again, would you purchase the Harrop again?
3) Any issue with your kit so far?

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https://www.cosworthperformance.com/
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For those of you purchased the Harrop SC, any reason why you got the Harrop ($6,044 with ECUTek) over the Cosworth SC ($6750 with ECUtek)?

1) Any other pros on the Harrop beside $710 cheaper in price?
2) If you had a chance again, would you purchase the Harrop again?
3) Any issue with your kit so far?

Thanks!

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http://www.moto-east.com/store/harro...6-brz-frs.html
https://www.cosworthperformance.com/


For me, I had the kit installed by Neal @The Racers Line at 25000 miles and I’m at 38000 now. I daily my car and go full retard daily on freeway onramps.

No problems AT ALL. No issues with performance. It generates more heat but duh... still never had a problem with over heating in the summer etc. Harrop has an oil cooler too if you track your car.

I chose this kit based on design and aesthetics. Same design essentially as the Edelbrock but an improvement on the Cosworth. Simple install and fix. Very elegant solution. Couple that with price and it was a no brainer. I’d totally buy and recommend this kit again. Nothing but good things to say. Talk to Neal too. He can answer technical questions more fully.


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For me, I had the kit installed by Neal @theRacersLine at 25000 miles and I’m at 38000 now. I daily my car and go full retard daily on freeway onramps.

No problems AT ALL. No issues with performance. It generates more heat but duh... still never had a problem with over heating in the summer etc. Harrop has an oil cooler too if you track your car.

I chose this kit based on design and aesthetics. Same design essentially as the Edelbrock but an improvement on the Cosworth. Simple install and fix. Very elegant solution. Couple that with price and it was a no brainer. I’d totally buy and recommend this kit again. Nothing but good things to say. Talk to Neal too. He can answer technical questions more fully.


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Thanks for your quick comment! Would you please elaborate more on "but an improvement on the Cosworth"?

Is it because of the front intake pipe and the TVS1320 vs TVS900?

Thanks again!
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Thanks for your quick comment! Would you please elaborate more on "but an improvement on the Cosworth"?

Is it because of the front intake pipe and the TVS1320 vs TVS900?

Thanks again!
No prob!

Yeah, I liked the idea of the TVS1320 over the TVS900 even tho at my power levels and with my goals having either wouldn't make a difference either way. If I'm not mistaken (but I totally could be) the 1320 has potential for greater power, but to get to that level as a differentiator you're already fully built with supporting mods etc.

That's where I looked at the intake and the aesthetics and it just made more sense. Again, intake design is negligible at my power levels but it could certainly make a difference later down the road.

In short, both kits will get you where you wanna go if you're not looking at MAX, MAX power etc, but I think in the long-run the Harrop is the better solution. I felt like I could live with that and have no regrets whereas the Cosworth had some niggles for me.
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