2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[davesrave]

Originally Posted by R_E_L

My understanding is the manual is off the table for this car. They're probably trying to keep the 86 the purist car. This is probably going to be marketed to people that want the supra looks at the lowest price, and don't mind giving up the performance to get it. That and the 10 people who will actually buy a new car to engine swap it.

It will weigh a couple of hundred pounds less and still do 0-60 in 5.2 seconds. And it will cost thousands less. If you like the twisties, that's plenty of oomph for many including me.

It also leaves room for the FT86 to slot in.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by R_E_L

My understanding is the manual is off the table for this car. They're probably trying to keep the 86 the purist car. This is probably going to be marketed to people that want the supra looks at the lowest price, and don't mind giving up the performance to get it. That and the 10 people who will actually buy a new car to engine swap it.

Which is exactly what the guys on the Zupra forum are crying about

It’d be so lame if this is true. I really like the exclusivity of it... If they’re gonna come out with a cheaper option at least make it look different

Do you own an A90 Supra? I think people are not wanting the Supra to be more affordable and catering to the "Honda Civic/Kid crowd." Most of us worked super hard for our money and paid a ton for the A90..

Now, a cheaper A90 comes along and a bunch of kids buy it??? It also makes it less rare on the roadway.......

Anyways, just opinions here....

I agree. I waited a long time since my last sports car and don't want something that is more common because now the same body is being used in a cheaper model. I to, have worked hard for my money.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Which is exactly what the guys on the Zupra forum are crying about

So what you are saying is the current crop of Supra owners are elitist poser snobs. So.... I guess stereotypical BMW owners?

[davesrave]

Originally Posted by Spuds

So what you are saying is the current crop of Supra owners are elitist poser snobs. So.... I guess stereotypical BMW owners?

To put a BMW badge on the Supra costs 10 grand. But you do get a convertible out of it.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

So what you are saying is the current crop of Supra owners are elitist poser snobs. So.... I guess stereotypical BMW owners?

It is funny you said this because I was thinking something similar with the addition that BMW's are so similar looking from the 2 series up to the 6 series and from the bottom spec to the M spec that these statements are kinda funny.

The real truth to this is that the 4 cylinders modified crowd will be faster in their Supras than the 6 cylinder unmodified (old man elitist) crowd, which they hate.

But the other irony is that the Supra has always had a range of models, and it had this range in the MKV from the beginning (just not all over the world). Some have argued that the NA MKIV is analogous to the $50k MKV Supra, and that more premium/faster (M spec) models will come. This could be true, but I argued that the 4 cylinder is like the NA MKIV Supra, and it should exist alongside the top tier.

Even if the 4 cylinder Supra was $40k new and $25-30k used in a few years, I still don't know if I am in on the looks and package, especially if it stays auto.

[Will BRZ]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Which is exactly what the guys on the Zupra forum are crying about

Wow that’s so sad to read. Clearly buying just to show off pretty much. But they’ll get used to it I’m sure. It’s just like any of the trillions of V6 “muscle” cars.

Anyways, like stated in the first page, I’m sure there’s going to be a good amount of people modifying the lower trim Supras and why not. It’ll look good, cheaper, have good power still, handle well, and maybe more reliable Of course we won’t know till see it, but still interesting

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Even if the 4 cylinder Supra was $40k new and $25-30k used in a few years, I still don't know if I am in on the looks and package, especially if it stays auto.

It is the looks for me. I quite frankly prefer the aesthetics of the 86 much more than the Supra. It just looks......better.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Rampage

It is the looks for me. I quite frankly prefer the aesthetics of the 86 much more than the Supra. It just looks......better.

Same, except I do like the side view proportions on a GT two seater. Our short stubby hood is great for visibility, but the cabin would be nice as a two seater and shifted to the rear.

[R_E_L]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Which is exactly what the guys on the Zupra forum are crying about

Kinda silly though, as even with a 4 cyl I don’t see it dropping below 40K. I don’t know too many kids buying $40K cars. Having a unique/exclusive car is cool, but if it doesn’t sell, car companies will stop making them, which is not cool.

[YamahaR86]

Livestream announcement starts at 3pm EST I believe.


https://livestream.com/Toyota/events/8977220

[Lantanafrs2]

Performance enthusiasts many times practice the art of reverse investment. Rather than pay 50k for a fast car, we buy a 30k car, put 25k into it making it worth 10k and never reach the performance of the 50k car

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Performance enthusiasts many times practice the art of reverse investment. Rather than pay 50k for a fast car, we buy a 30k car, put 25k into it making it worth 10k and never reach the performance of the 50k car

And in many, many, many cases as soon as they are done all the work they sell (at a loss as you pointed out) and move onto the next project. These are the project enthusiasts that really enjoy the work more than the finished product. There is nothing wrong with that and I have done the same thing several times with classic restorations.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Will BRZ

Wow that’s so sad to read. Clearly buying just to show off pretty much. But they’ll get used to it I’m sure. It’s just like any of the trillions of V6 “muscle” cars.

Anyways, like stated in the first page, I’m sure there’s going to be a good amount of people modifying the lower trim Supras and why not. It’ll look good, cheaper, have good power still, handle well, and maybe more reliable Of course we won’t know till see it, but still interesting

That was my thought too. The guys with the GT350R doesn't give two shits that the 4cyl Eco Boost exists and is effecting the value and exclusivity of his car.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And in many, many, many cases as soon as they are done all the work they sell (at a loss as you pointed out) and move onto the next project. These are the project enthusiasts that really enjoy the work more than the finished product. There is nothing wrong with that and I have done the same thing several times with classic restorations.

I've done the same thing. I've also spent 100k on cocaine and prostitutes over a period of time. Not sure which was less of a waste though. At least I never had a ricer squid try to race my slow prostitute