Failure After J02 Recall - Discussion Threads

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by maslin

Gluing this engine together might be special for Toyota, but everyone else has been doing it for 30 years. There is nothing high tech about the fa20, variable cams, direct injection, liquid sealant... old news.

Throw a 48v supercharger to spool the turbo, ditch the belt and everything attached to it, toss the starter in the trash and we'll talk about the new age of engines.

I can't believe how many times I've said this. Slow down. Follow the kindergarten level instructions. Don't blow up engines. And test drive the damn car when you're "done".

Yep. Almost 44 years ago, at age 16 I was able to rebuild a Corvair engine with zero issues and all I had was a library book repair manual so I have zero doubt that a trained and experienced tech can figure it out. I didn't stand there scratching my head in total bafflement because it wasn't laid out in a V and only had six cylinders.
I haven't tore down an engine in almost 20 years but would be very comfortable with following the recall instructions. The updated instructions that show where to avoid the sealant should help if the techs actually pay attention.

[EXCellR8]

Which is why only Subaru should have performed this recall work. Eliminate any weak links such as those techs who won't know to do that... or just wont.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I haven't tore down an engine in almost 20 years but would be very comfortable with following the recall instructions. The updated instructions that show where to avoid the sealant should help if the techs actually pay attention.

Yea, I agree, it's been longer than that for me, and I'm confident I could have followed the first set of instructions, but the updated ones definitely help.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by EXCellR8

Which is why only Subaru should have performed this recall work. Eliminate any weak links such as those techs who won't know to do that... or just wont.

And all the Subaru tech will do it right? There are at least 3 BRZs listed with failures. When you consider that they sold less than half as many as the FRS that gives the a failure rate almost as high. A sloppy tech can exist with any company.

[EXCellR8]

That is the reality of it yes, I would just hope the Subaru techs would know to adhere to instructions since all current Subaru vehicles use boxer engines and this type of timing cover design, albeit not exactly.


Sorry, do you and I have some kind of personal beef that I'm not remembering? I'm super stoked you're a wrenching wizard of all things combustion engine... thanks, I got it.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by EXCellR8

That is the reality of it yes, I would just hope the Subaru techs would know to adhere to instructions since all current Subaru vehicles use boxer engines and this type of timing cover design, albeit not exactly.

This I agree with. They should be more accustomed to applying the packing on the timing cover considering there are exponentially more Subaru engines out there between the FA and FB than there are FA's in the Toyota. Personally engineers should know better than to stick an oil gallery 2mm away from the FIPG.

[maslin]

Originally Posted by ermax

This I agree with. They should be more accustomed to applying the packing on the timing cover considering there are exponentially more Subaru engines out there between the FA and FB than there are FA's in the Toyota. Personally engineers should know better than to stick an oil gallery 2mm away from the FIPG.

It can't be the engineers fault. They know exactly what they're doing.

[Rampage]

All this has convinced me to talk to my son about his car. He has a 2013 FR-S with 30,000 miles on it and it is on the recall. He has had zero issues with the car in the 5+ years that he has owned it. I told him to wait at least a year until all this mess is straightened out and until the Toyota Techs know how to do the job properly. The only way his car is going in before that is if a valve spring breaks.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by EXCellR8

That is the reality of it yes, I would just hope the Subaru techs would know to adhere to instructions since all current Subaru vehicles use boxer engines and this type of timing cover design, albeit not exactly.


Sorry, do you and I have some kind of personal beef that I'm not remembering? I'm super stoked you're a wrenching wizard of all things combustion engine... thanks, I got it.

Nope no beef. Yet but the sarcasm at the end of your statement could change that. I just don't agree that the Subaru techs have any advantage in this particular case. It is just an engine that is sideways instead of up and down. There is nothing special about it and it makes no difference to a decent tech regardless of where they work. From the reports the Subarus techs are screwing up at a proportional rate.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

This I agree with. They should be more accustomed to applying the packing on the timing cover considering there are exponentially more Subaru engines out there between the FA and FB than there are FA's in the Toyota. Personally engineers should know better than to stick an oil gallery 2mm away from the FIPG.

But as has been said the FA20 sealant method is very different from the others. A Subaru tech that is "accustomed" to the other engines is just as likely to screw up as any other tech anyplace else.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But as has been said the FA20 sealant method is very different from the others. A Subaru tech that is "accustomed" to the other engines is just as likely to screw up as any other tech anyplace else.

FA and FB are almost identical as far as packing the timing cover is concerned.

[ermax]

So.. to keep discussion out of the registry thread I thought I would talk here about this post:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...3&postcount=58

So this guy's car burnt to the ground. Maybe the insurance company can throw their attorneys at Toyota and make something happen.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by ermax

So this guy's car burnt to the ground. Maybe the insurance company can throw their attorneys at Toyota and make something happen.

Not good, of course.

What evidence is pointing to being the recall and not something else? I didn't see anything obvious, almost sounded like a brake or traction system issue.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not good, of course.

What evidence is pointing to being the recall and not something else? I didn't see anything obvious, almost sounded like a brake or traction system issue.

When the engine blows on a RWD car you will end up with rear traction problems. Which is why Toyota is concerned about the "stalling" engine in the first place.

I hope he tells the insurance company about the recall so they know where to recoup their money.