2017 FT-86 More power for manual but not for automatic transmission - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Yoniyama · 05-27-2016, 12:59 PM

According to Car & Driver, more power and torque came from

"The BRZ’s 2.0-liter flat-four has less internal friction and increased airflow, resulting in a small uptick in output of 5 horsepower and 5 lb-ft of torque, for new totals of 205 and 156. Aided by slightly shorter gearing, acceleration is claimed to be improved—at least with the standard six-speed manual gearbox. Neither the higher output nor the different gearing applies to cars with the optional six-speed automatic transmission"

I suppose the engine and intake/exhaust are common for all Toybarus, regardless of transmission. I wonder how they achieve different power for the two transmission, unless the programming is different? Any idea?

FRSBRZGT86FAN · 05-27-2016, 02:53 PM

Because there probably is a power increase it's just lost through the automatic transmission

darthpnoy1984 · 05-27-2016, 03:05 PM

Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

FX86 · 05-27-2016, 03:21 PM

even with that extra 5hp and 5lbs torque ...you still won't beat that soccer mom that pulls up next to you in that v6 odyssey haha

funwheeldrive · 05-27-2016, 03:56 PM

This is Toyota's way of trying to convince people to buy a manual.

xFury · 05-27-2016, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

Serious questions, wouldn't that raise the price tag tho? Would be nice to have that DCT tho lol.

ZionsWrath · 05-27-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

While that sounds nice, the price increase for that I wouldn't buy it. And I'm sure a lot of others wouldn't either.

What is the cheapest dual clutch out there right now?

kch · 05-27-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xFury

Serious questions, wouldn't that raise the price tag tho? Would be nice to have that DCT tho lol.

increase pricetag and weight for sure.

gramicci101 · 05-27-2016, 05:21 PM

Considering that the 205 number is bhp and measured before the transmission, and I really doubt Subaru will be making completely different engines for each transmission, I have to assume that Car & Driver doesn't have their information correct.

MrBlaze-65 · 05-27-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

While that sounds nice, the price increase for that I wouldn't buy it. And I'm sure a lot of others wouldn't either.

What is the cheapest dual clutch out there right now?

I wouldn't mind something like what the 370z's manual transmission has where it rev matches for you.

N1rve · 05-27-2016, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

DCT is most likely a cost issue. It would appeal to a smaller audience that is willing to pay maybe 2-3k more than a regular automatic transmission.

FR-Sky · 05-27-2016, 05:34 PM

Doesnt matter to me. I will drive my frs until it cant run anymore or sti version come out.

funwheeldrive · 05-27-2016, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

What is the cheapest dual clutch out there right now?

I don't think it's being made anymore, but didn't the Lancer Ralliart come with a dual clutch?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101

Considering that the 205 number is bhp and measured before the transmission, and I really doubt Subaru will be making completely different engines for each transmission, I have to assume that Car & Driver doesn't have their information correct.

Maybe the auto has a less aggressive tune?

Packofcrows · 05-27-2016, 07:51 PM

Its basically a FRS with a TRD Intake/Exhaust haha

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