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You are painting all dealers with the same brush. There are likely far, far more that honour their agreements than don't. The ones where the consumer get's screwed over are just the ones that we hear.
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They have time to run around to multiple dealers and complain that they are being screwed over on here then they have time to file a complaint about breaching contracts. Doesn't take a lawyer.
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Put the deposit down with CC. If the dealer said it will be refundable and later change their tune, have the CC company do a charge back.
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But I knew it was non-refundable going in. I agreed to that and to finance through them to avoid paying over MSRP.
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That said (and I think it's been mentioned here already) no deposit should be non-refundable forever. There should be some kind of time limit to it. Considering customer preference requests have absolute zero bearing on what Toyota sends to a given dealership, and that there is no mechanism to prioritize filling aging requests, I believe it is entirely possible for a dealer to never ever get the car a customer asks for unless someone else in the region ends up with one that they don't want and they can trade. And I'm afraid it will be years before the GR86 market gets to be that way. |
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Lotteries also do not say "Oh look at all the extra people that want these tickets let's do a market adjustment on the price and mark them up by 10% since somebody will pay it".
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And you are wrong on improving your chances. If even 1 person is doing it and you are not, you are significantly lowering your chances vis-a-vis that person. More importantly, if everybody or almost everybody is doing it and you don't, you are significantly lowering your chances against almost everybody else. As I have ALWAYS said, and despite what panties-in-a-twist Robertw might think, I have no problems with how ANY of the different parties in these scenarios are acting and fully understand that they all have different motivations. The only issue I have is when a party agrees to something, particularly in writing, and then tries to materially alter that agreement (or just whining at the situation in general). In the case of juenedgi, the buyer tried to change the deal and the dealer said no. In the case of drivejumpfly, the dealer changed the deal and deserves to be called out for it. |
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Anyhow, most dealers in my area that mark up don't even accept deposits. They get the car no strings attached so they can sell to the highest bidder once it's in their hands. This was the case with the Halo PMT I mentioned a few pages back. |
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My sentiments on the subject of the contracts (that is what they are) are exactly the same as yours. Need to look at each individual case and see who screwed who not just blame the dealers for everything.
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