Dangers of a Non-Intercooled SC?

[kev0]

I have the opportunity of buying a Sprintex 210 kit, nonintercooled, with about 20k miles on it. I’m a newbie to cars, but I know I’ll need an EcuTek tune of some sort after having the kit professionally installed.

With that said, since the kit is nonintercooled, should I expect any troubles with the kit? What does nonintercooled even mean? As for as my research goes, I’ve only gotten opinions that a FI kit should ALWAYS be intercooled.

Is 20k on a SC kit too much? What are some things that I should expect, besides my engine (72k miles) possibly grenading? Do you guys think I should pick the kit up? Thanks

[tomm.brz]

it means that after 2 pulls with full gas it will be so much heatsoaked that the tuner must pull so much timings that you basically loose 30hp after 10 minutes
also you can t really track it because it would be so much heatsoaked and with low ign timing that you must be also carefull of the exhaust temperature
for normal driving it is good

[Mr.ac]

Rule of thumb always buy new.

There is always a reason why someone is dumping their headaches, I mean used parts.
That being said, it's your car your money.

As for expecting trouble, LOL why even ask?

As for any non inner cooled supercharger all depends on the build and end use.
Daily driving, it's going to get nice and toasty. Expect new engine soon.

A nice Civic Si is what you need. Sell that pos you're driving now. Can't beat a turbocharged Honda engine. Way more power out the box that would smoke any FI 86.

But if you want to buy a used and abused supercharger under they guíes of slightly used, go for it. I got some MPSS I can sell you for $200 a tire.

[why?]

Originally Posted by kev0

I have the opportunity of buying a Sprintex 210 kit, nonintercooled, with about 20k miles on it. I’m a newbie to cars, but I know I’ll need an EcuTek tune of some sort after having the kit professionally installed.

With that said, since the kit is nonintercooled, should I expect any troubles with the kit? What does nonintercooled even mean? As for as my research goes, I’ve only gotten opinions that a FI kit should ALWAYS be intercooled.

Is 20k on a SC kit too much? What are some things that I should expect, besides my engine (72k miles) possibly grenading? Do you guys think I should pick the kit up? Thanks

unless it is 25% of the price it would be brand new or less, then don't do it.

[kev0]

Thanks, all. General consensus of those who replied to this thread pretty much screams no. I gotta admit, I was disappointed. I really did want something to spice up my daily driven vehicle. I guess I’ll have to wait to buy a brand new kit.

[coryandy]

With a non-intercooled Sprintex, once it gets heat soaked, you will end up with barely more power than an E-85 NA tune with a full exhaust. This may be something to consider instead as it is much safer for your engine and more durable in the long run. I would think E-85 would be fairly easily available in Chi-town?

[jflogerzi]

I bought my SC with 30k on the clock and it's working great. It was the 210 IC. It is super fun on the street. If you have e85 around for it with flex fuel it really wakes up the kit and helps with heat soak.

Edit**

if you can get the price lower, you can put it towards a rebuild by Jon bond. For reference I paid 2800$ for my used 210 with the IC. Just looked and I have 1000 miles and no issues but a small bit of SC oil usage under heavy pulls

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[DaveB.inVa]

If you can get it for a good price and its in good shape, you can buy the intercooler kit separately.

[86TOYO2k17]

Get the kit if the price + a jon bond rebuild, and supercharger side catch can is at least 500$ cheaper then buying new when all is said and done. But i would really plan on WMI and or E85 especially if not intercooled. You can reach out to some vendors you might be able to find the intercooler upgrade kit for about 1600$. Could possibly have Jon bond install the intercooler supercharger plate when doing rebuild.

Any supercharger should have a intercooler, especially the sprintex. Or at very least E85/WMI. Once intake temps sky rocket all HP gains are gone. On the sprintex with No intercooler you get 1-2 good pulls before your power is dropped to full bolt on NA, with intercooler it’s about 5-6 pulls, with E85 alone maybe 3-4, WMI alone maybe 4-5, WMI or E85 + intercooler and it will never really be an issue.

[ajcarson11]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

Rule of thumb always buy new.

There is always a reason why someone is dumping their headaches, I mean used parts.
That being said, it's your car your money.

As for expecting trouble, LOL why even ask?

As for any non inner cooled supercharger all depends on the build and end use.
Daily driving, it's going to get nice and toasty. Expect new engine soon.

A nice Civic Si is what you need. Sell that pos you're driving now. Can't beat a turbocharged Honda engine. Way more power out the box that would smoke any FI 86.

But if you want to buy a used and abused supercharger under they guíes of slightly used, go for it. I got some MPSS I can sell you for $200 a tire.

Quality post....

This is my kit, and I was offering it up to the local Indiana86 group for cheap ($1500 for entire kit, including MotoEast intake) because I'm selling my car to move onto a different platform, purely because I'd like to, and for no other reason. The kit, for me, has run with zero issues, and because I run E85 I don't run into issues with heat soak on 95% of days. I love this kit and would buy it again in a heartbeat for daily driving. It produces great torque, doesn't make a ton of power (so you don't have to upgrade clutch, injectors, worry about engine popping all the time), and makes a great noise for not much money. My entire boosted setup was less than half of what most spend going FI, and that makes it worth it for the goals that I had.

If you think you are going to run into guaranteed engine issues with this kit (or any kit) then you obviously don't have experience with it, and must not know much about these cars. There are thousands of folks running this kit without issue, and assuming you choose a QUALITY tuner, you'll never have any engine issues unless you are just one of the unlucky ones -- Or, if you treat your car like shit.

Additionally, for those who aren't aware, there are additional factors to consider with the intercooled part of the kit -- I actually had the intercooler and ended up selling it before putting it on. You have to run an aftermarket MAF to tune the intercooled kit properly, and I didn't see a need to worry about future coolant leaks/issues in Indiana weather. Mike at MotoEast knew that I would be running primarily on E85 (which runs cooler) and told me that the nonintercooled kit was perfectly fine. If I had been primarily running on 93 then yes, the intercooler would have been worth the hassle.

At any rate, I believed that $1500 was a great price considering this kit goes for 4k new. It has been treated well and I wasn't interested in trying to squeeze out top dollar for a used part. It must have been a great price because it has now gone to a new owner, who I hope will enjoy it.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by ajcarson11

Quality post....



This is my kit, and I was offering it up to the local Indiana86 group for cheap ($1500 for entire kit, including MotoEast intake) because I'm selling my car to move onto a different platform, purely because I'd like to, and for no other reason. The kit, for me, has run with zero issues, and because I run E85 I don't run into issues with heat soak on 95% of days. I love this kit and would buy it again in a heartbeat for daily driving. It produces great torque, doesn't make a ton of power (so you don't have to upgrade clutch, injectors, worry about engine popping all the time), and makes a great noise for not much money. My entire boosted setup was less than half of what most spend going FI, and that makes it worth it for the goals that I had.



If you think you are going to run into guaranteed engine issues with this kit (or any kit) then you obviously don't have experience with it, and must not know much about these cars. There are thousands of folks running this kit without issue, and assuming you choose a QUALITY tuner, you'll never have any engine issues unless you are just one of the unlucky ones -- Or, if you treat your car like shit.



Additionally, for those who aren't aware, there are additional factors to consider with the intercooled part of the kit -- I actually had the intercooler and ended up selling it before putting it on. You have to run an aftermarket MAF to tune the intercooled kit properly, and I didn't see a need to worry about future coolant leaks/issues in Indiana weather. Mike at MotoEast knew that I would be running primarily on E85 (which runs cooler) and told me that the nonintercooled kit was perfectly fine. If I had been primarily running on 93 then yes, the intercooler would have been worth the hassle.



At any rate, I believed that $1500 was a great price considering this kit goes for 4k new. It has been treated well and I wasn't interested in trying to squeeze out top dollar for a used part. It must have been a great price because it has now gone to a new owner, who I hope will enjoy it.

I am using the standard MAF without issues along with the standard map? Moto East did my tuning

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[ajcarson11]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

I am using the standard MAF without issues along with the standard map? Moto East did my tuning

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Ahh... There were some early issues with the stock maf or map doing something strange but maybe they've resolved it. Moto east definitely would know.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by ajcarson11

Ahh... There were some early issues with the stock maf or map doing something strange but maybe they've resolved it. Moto east definitely would know.

The exact opposite. The issue is (still an issue) with after market MAP sensors as the intercooler heatsink plate causes too much turbulence so the Boost reading was a bit sporadic and would fluctuate too much (actually making 11psi but it reads a “fluttering” 9-12psi) made tuning with it a nightmare. Using stock MAP sensor and tuning based off MAF is what you have to do.

Also kit is 4k$ new WITH intercooler. I got mine from Bahn Brenner for 3900$ new on eBay. Intercooler is a 1600$ “upgrade option” although cheaper buying together. So 3k$ for non intercooler kit. But still 1500$ isn’t a bad deal
assuming it has no issues.

I would still prefer intercooler either way. But yes with E85 and/or WMI it isn’t necessary for a spirited DD.