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Old 01-04-2020, 01:53 PM   #29
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Do you see what I quoted? I made no mention of reliability, strength or durability.
My point is one cannot get good damping at a budget price.
No you did not. Thought it was worth mentioning BC and BC component based shocks does not have a horrible track record in that sense.

I've tried a few coilovers under $1500 that were not bad, some even pretty damn good depending on expectations. Then again if by 'budget' you mean $500 ebay specials, you are probably right. Though, BC and "BC-type" dampers can be serviced and revalved.
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BC utilizes a 46mm piston with a 12mm center bore at about .5" thick, like some other popular brands. Nobody would stop you from shoving an Ohlins or Bilstein piston and valving in a BC cartridge. Know what I mean? lol
Coincidentally, I read up on this just last night. Redshift is a very well known in the Honda world. I navigated to their site last night to see if they offer anything for the 86 platform to find this:

https://store.redshiftmotorsports.co...vers-s/147.htm
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Coincidentally, I read up on this just last night. Redshift is a very well known in the Honda world. I navigated to their site last night to see if they offer anything for the 86 platform to find this:

https://store.redshiftmotorsports.co...vers-s/147.htm
I'm not aware that redshift has done an 86 yet, so they'd be guessing on the specific setup and you'd probably want to take advantage of tehat 1 free revalve. ProParts has developed a setup for the 86 using BC/Megan for autocross (all of those testimonials are well known autocrossers). Quite happy with mine.
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I'm not aware that redshift has done an 86 yet, so they'd be guessing on the specific setup and you'd probably want to take advantage of tehat 1 free revalve. ProParts has developed a setup for the 86 using BC/Megan for autocross (all of those testimonials are well known autocrossers). Quite happy with mine.
I did see 86 on their application list, though it would be questionable how much experience he has with the platform. But he is very well versed with suspension tuning.
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https://store.redshiftmotorsports.co...vers-s/147.htm
Yup. And they are able to mimic the performance of the COB bilstein piston using the BC piston for $1500 with a revalve included. FEAL, Fortune, MCA, Meisters, ProParts/Megan all well regarded and customize-able.

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I'm not aware that redshift has done an 86 yet, so they'd be guessing on the specific setup and you'd probably want to take advantage of tehat 1 free revalve. ProParts has developed a setup for the 86 using BC/Megan for autocross (all of those testimonials are well known autocrossers). Quite happy with mine.
Curious.. Have you measured the length of the stroke on your Megan/ProParts shocks? Depending on the model and spring rates that comes with them, Megan uses different shock lengths with the "easy street" having the longest usable stroke and softest spring rates. I'm thinking ProParts dissected the longest ones to build theirs? I know BC FR-S fitment have just 85mm of usable stroke in the rear shock, not considering bump stops. The Megan easy street have something like 110mm of stroke? Thats a huge difference.
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Yup. And they are able to mimic the performance of the COB bilstein piston using the BC piston for $1500 with a revalve included. FEAL, Fortune, MCA, Meisters, ProParts/Megan all well regarded and customize-able.



Curious.. Have you measured the length of the stroke on your Megan/ProParts shocks? Depending on the model and spring rates that comes with them, Megan uses different shock lengths with the "easy street" having the longest usable stroke and softest spring rates. I'm thinking ProParts dissected the longest ones to build theirs? I know BC FR-S fitment have just 85mm of usable stroke in the rear shock, not considering bump stops. The Megan easy street have something like 110mm of stroke? Thats a huge difference.
Far too lazy, but I do not believe they are based on EZs but rather Megan's Track series. Per this ft86speedfactory link 110mm F stroke, 95 mm R stroke.

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Far too lazy, but I do not believe they are based on EZs but rather Megan's Track series. Per this ft86speedfactory link 110mm F stroke, 95 mm R stroke.

https://www.ft86speedfactory.com/meg...E#.XhFcf1OIZCU
If you're not having issue with the amount of shock travel, then there wouldn't be any real motivation to check. I guess. The numbers there I believe are accurate. 95mm stroke with a 180mm body. What spring rates did they set you up with?
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Mmmm....I wonder where op is?
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If you're not having issue with the amount of shock travel, then there wouldn't be any real motivation to check. I guess. The numbers there I believe are accurate. 95mm stroke with a 180mm body. What spring rates did they set you up with?
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I struggled to develop my own path forward so I hit copy paste on a setup with proven success, very happy with how it's gone so far. I was very skeptical at first but now I'm not over thinking everything and just tweaking here and there to improve. Besides the car is more capable than the driver now that it's put together half decent.

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MCA street performance, come standard with 6kg front and 4.5kg rear.

About $1500 USD

https://mcasuspension.com/shop/produ...-Toyota-86-ALL
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MCA street performance, come standard with 6kg front and 4.5kg rear.

About $1500 USD

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As I've mentioned elsewhere I strongly advise against buying products without local support.


Both CSG and RCE offer a product in that price range that is somewhat nearer to the op than half way around the world.
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Meh, I buy stuff from all around the world, and personally, in relation to these dampeners, I don't bother with rebuilding them, for that money it is easier to just replace the whole unit with new.

Plus I've never heard of these things leaking, or any bad review at all really.

I've had mine installed for about 12 months now and done around 20k km, lots of crappy roads, and launching off speed humps, so far, so good, they have paid for themselves already with their performance, comfort and reliability.

Maybe if they were high end dampeners costing real big money then maybe I would think differently.

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Meh, I buy stuff from all around the world, and personally, in relation to these dampeners, I don't bother with rebuilding them, for that money it is easier to just replace the whole unit with new.

Plus I've never heard of these things leaking, or any bad review at all really.
I've had my MCA Reds back to MCA on 2 occasions for overhaul/modification. An acquaintance has had his Reds back to MCA 3 times for warranty work. Sending my AST 5200 to the Netherlands for maintenance was expensive and a huge pita.


Why would one buy overseas when one can get a suitable product locally with support?
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Buying locally is not convenient?
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I've had my MCA Reds back to MCA on 2 occasions for overhaul/modification. An acquaintance has had his Reds back to MCA 3 times for warranty work. Sending my AST 5200 to the Netherlands for maintenance was expensive and a huge pita.


Why would one buy overseas when one can get a suitable product locally with support?

Buying locally is not convenient?
Convenience for me is not rebuilding but buying new.

What exactly happened with your reds?
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