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Old 09-13-2021, 08:58 PM   #29
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2 weeks ago some guy from Venezuela drove his car through the Hilo airport fence and tried to steal a Beechcraft. He got the engines going before being arrested.
Honolulu some kid drove onto the airfield and stole a Cessna and promptly crashed after takeoff.
Let's be honest, unless you are at a major passenger plane airport, there is no security at most small airports, we couldn't afford it. I still go walk the flight line at a lot of general aviation airports. All you have to do is look like you belong and no one questions it. I have the advantage of having a pilot's license in my pocket but no one has ever asked me for it.

There is a GA airport near me where there are at least 5 Citations parked. The company that owns them, besides using them for charters also uses them to tow target drones for the military. At midnight there is no security, and maybe a couple of cameras.

For that matter, the closest GA airport near me has an flyable F-14 in their museum that is parked outside.

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So I am going to say something that is probably not very popular: why are we still memorializing this event? Do we need to cover this each and every year?
Honestly, I don't disagree with you about moving on. I think its important to remember (those that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it, etc) but I also think it provides ammunition to "the enemy". I think the 20 year anniversary is a bit different but not every year. Actually, as I recall the coverage has died down in recent years.

I have to ask though, can we also apply the same logic to Lady Dianne's death! Talk about something that is over memorialized....
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2 weeks ago some guy from Venezuela drove his car through the Hilo airport fence and tried to steal a Beechcraft. He got the engines going before being arrested.
Honolulu some kid drove onto the airfield and stole a Cessna and promptly crashed after takeoff.

It gets kind of scary when you realize how easy it is.
Hickam AFB is connected to Honolulu International.
Wouldn't take much to steal a plane and F up a few VERY expensive military aircraft.
So true.

It would be super easy for someone to make a bomb from fertilizer and blow up a crowded area like Oklahoma City. People just aren't that messed up, and terrorists of any type don't seem to want to waist their time on just killing randomly in order to have a huge death toll for the hell of it. If someone wanted to add ricin to mail and hand deliver it like people do when they leave stuff on your door or on your car as advertisements, a person could kill thousands of people. It wouldn't even be that expensive. So many public events from marathons to sporting events, etc have little to no security, and it wouldn't take much to bring an automatic weapon close enough in range to mow down a huge group of people. Add multiple gunmen, and the death toll could be in the hundreds. Multiple SUVs breaking through the "barriers" at a marathon or at a parade at highway speeds would do massive damage to lives, but this doesn't really happen, especially in a coordinated way from multiple attackers.

We have all these things from domestic terrorists on a much smaller scale, but nothing like 9/11 in size, even though we are no more shielded from these events than we were before. People say a plane couldn't be highjacked now, but all the terrorists had then was box cutters. Ask anyone in prison if a shank couldn't be made in short time from anything. I wonder what the plane would do if multiple terrorists took hostages and demanded the crew to open the cockpit. They say the cockpit is locked, and they have a gun now, but if a shank was held up to a baby or other hostage throat, I don't know what the pilot would do. Even still, the pilot could be in on it, whether the person was radicalized or paid off in some way.
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I was thinking this afternoon about being 20+ years after the fact. I have an intern this semester that I am twice her age, born the year in graduated high school. When I was a kid thinking about the sixties it seemed so long ago. Like 20 years prior to being born, the voting rights act happened.

Almost a lifetime later after 9/11/01, I can’t help but wonder what kids think about what happened at the turn of the century.
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Old 09-12-2022, 07:23 AM   #34
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Almost a lifetime later after 9/11/01, I can’t help but wonder what kids think about what happened at the turn of the century.
I doubt it is any different than any other generation, it's a historical footnote unless your family was directly impacted.

My version of this is WWII and Korea. When I was 10 years old (where I might have thoughts about these things) WWII was behind us by 24 years and Korea 18 years. I knew about WWII from my Grandfather, but had no clue that Korea was a thing until 5 or 6 years later when we talked about it in a high school modern history and later an JROTC course.
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I remember Bush holding a kids book upside down while receiving the news.... then the patriot act.
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I remember Bush holding a kids book upside down while receiving the news.... then the patriot act.
I'm assuming you know that photo wasn't real...but just in case.

Now, the Patriot Act, yea, it was real.
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I was thinking this afternoon about being 20+ years after the fact. I have an intern this semester that I am twice her age, born the year in graduated high school. When I was a kid thinking about the sixties it seemed so long ago. Like 20 years prior to being born, the voting rights act happened.

Almost a lifetime later after 9/11/01, I can’t help but wonder what kids think about what happened at the turn of the century.
I hate to say it but I've met kids born after 2000 and it ain't pretty. They barely know what life was like ten years ago let alone 20 years ago.

And knowing how history classes were taught between like 1998 and 2011, I don't have much hope for this generation because it's surely gotten worse plus now they're obsessed with TikTok lol.

But then again I'm sure people born in the 70s said the same about us born in the 90s.
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I'm assuming you know that photo wasn't real...but just in case.

Now, the Patriot Act, yea, it was real.
He's just trying to be edgy. We all know the real fun came in with the TSA doing body scans.
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Body scans came years after 9/11/01
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5th grade. Wasn’t at school yet, but I went downstairs to eat breakfast and watch Pokémon and my mom had the news on and seemed very invested. Didn't really know what happened until getting to school.

A lot has happened and changed since then. 20 years of war. There are kids today who are overseas who weren’t even alive when 9/11 happened.
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